Jimmy Butler Trade Ideas

[thedoper]

In one of those years they are going to let the high school players back in so it will be the "double draft". Plus I can hate the Rockets even more now.

[TheFuture]

Take the picks and Eric Gordon.

Too much ammo not to pull the trigger.

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

So. with Harden, Paul, Butler and Capella, Houston may be a top 4 team through at least 2023...so we're looking at 3 very late first round picks plus the chance of a good pick in 2025 (assuming a couple of those guys are gone by then). Combine that with how awful we are going to be for at least 2 years with Butler gone, and I have a difficult time getting excited about this offer. This team will look like the Wolves we watched in preseason this year, and that just might drive a few of us away. I'm still in the camp of waiting until we get a better offer. Late first round picks just don't do much for me.

[thedoper]

So. with Harden, Paul, Butler and Capella, Houston may be a top 4 team through at least 2023...so we're looking at 3 very late first round picks plus the chance of a good pick in 2025 (assuming a couple of those guys are gone by then). Combine that with how awful we are going to be for at least 2 years with Butler gone, and I have a difficult time getting excited about this offer. This team will look like the Wolves we watched in preseason this year, and that just might drive a few of us away. I'm still in the camp of waiting until we get a better offer. Late first round picks just don't do much for me.

I don't see Paul being great for that long, and between him and Butler the injury risk is huge. This is about salary flexibility for us and a nice array of assets to include in other deals. Not a top 5 pick but this whole thing could be a disaster for Houston.

[TheFuture]

So. with Harden, Paul, Butler and Capella, Houston may be a top 4 team through at least 2023...so we're looking at 3 very late first round picks plus the chance of a good pick in 2025 (assuming a couple of those guys are gone by then). Combine that with how awful we are going to be for at least 2 years with Butler gone, and I have a difficult time getting excited about this offer. This team will look like the Wolves we watched in preseason this year, and that just might drive a few of us away. I'm still in the camp of waiting until we get a better offer. Late first round picks just don't do much for me.

What's the alternative? We can play out this year. But we're not winning anything significant. This trade is better than anything we've seen so far. We turn the keys to wigg and kat, we can add a max player in 3 years if they show out or at least add the right players around them, and have tons of picks to build around them.

Its better than a josh Richardson deal, as if we trade for him we absolutely have to keep him in 3 years or essentially the trades were for nothing.

Alot of stars/ current super teams are getting old by 2021. The wolves would be in a good position.

[Monster]

I'm not too sure Thibs would be too excited about adding Knight, Chriss and 4 draft picks he may never coach. Best outcome may be that it makes someone else (Heat?) up their offer. What happens if the NBA changes the draft too as has been rumored?

I agree with your take on what Thibs likely things of their reported Houston offer. I do believe this should push Miami to improve their prior offer. I just don't see Pat Riley passing on the opportunity to get Buter. He's too competitive and his team is stuck in the bottom half of the Eastern Conference playoff picture with no realistic chance of freeing up cap space the next two years and their 2020 first round pick already traded. As always, the question is how far Riley will go and what package from Miami would make the most sense for the Wolves. Previously, I was dead set against taking back Whiteside in a Miami deal. But I've change my mind on that. I could get excited about a deal that landed Richardson, Whiteside and Miami's 2019 pick (even if lottery protected). I like the idea of having Whiteside's length and interior presence next to KAT. I would suspect our outgoing package would consist of Butler and Gorgui.

IF....this Houston offer is legit I personally would be asking for at least another asset from Miami in this deal that you proposed.

[JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]]

So. with Harden, Paul, Butler and Capella, Houston may be a top 4 team through at least 2023...so we're looking at 3 very late first round picks plus the chance of a good pick in 2025 (assuming a couple of those guys are gone by then). Combine that with how awful we are going to be for at least 2 years with Butler gone, and I have a difficult time getting excited about this offer. This team will look like the Wolves we watched in preseason this year, and that just might drive a few of us away. I'm still in the camp of waiting until we get a better offer. Late first round picks just don't do much for me.

Here's the problem: the only two teams that could be lottery teams that Jimmy Bricks said he would resign with are NYK and LAC, and neither were terribly interested. My favorite trade partner so far is LAC. They have lots of good pieces on expiring deals. So you do the Bricks deal with LAC, then move those pieces for more picks. Only problem is LAC isn't interested.

I think the larger problem is you don't trust MIN's scouting, which is TOTALLY understandable.

[TheFuture]

I'm not too sure Thibs would be too excited about adding Knight, Chriss and 4 draft picks he may never coach. Best outcome may be that it makes someone else (Heat?) up their offer. What happens if the NBA changes the draft too as has been rumored?

I agree with your take on what Thibs likely things of their reported Houston offer. I do believe this should push Miami to improve their prior offer. I just don't see Pat Riley passing on the opportunity to get Buter. He's too competitive and his team is stuck in the bottom half of the Eastern Conference playoff picture with no realistic chance of freeing up cap space the next two years and their 2020 first round pick already traded. As always, the question is how far Riley will go and what package from Miami would make the most sense for the Wolves. Previously, I was dead set against taking back Whiteside in a Miami deal. But I've change my mind on that. I could get excited about a deal that landed Richardson, Whiteside and Miami's 2019 pick (even if lottery protected). I like the idea of having Whiteside's length and interior presence next to KAT. I would suspect our outgoing package would consist of Butler and Gorgui.

IF....this Houston offer is legit I personally would be asking for at least another asset from Miami in this deal that you proposed.

Yeah, you take Houston's offer over what lip proposed easily. If you're blowing up, then blow up. Both "core" pieces are extended. Its time to revert back to the long approach, not time to patch together a team that will not do anything in the western conference.

4 first rounders. That's huge, especially if 3 of them come when highschoolers are allowed back in. Can attach to get out of salary, can package to trade for a star, can package to move up in the draft for a preferred target, or can just sit and double dip in the draft.

If the offer is real, it needs to be accepted.

[crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]]

So. with Harden, Paul, Butler and Capella, Houston may be a top 4 team through at least 2023...so we're looking at 3 very late first round picks plus the chance of a good pick in 2025 (assuming a couple of those guys are gone by then). Combine that with how awful we are going to be for at least 2 years with Butler gone, and I have a difficult time getting excited about this offer. This team will look like the Wolves we watched in preseason this year, and that just might drive a few of us away. I'm still in the camp of waiting until we get a better offer. Late first round picks just don't do much for me.

I don't see Paul being great for that long, and between him and Butler the injury risk is huge. This is about salary flexibility for us and a nice array of assets to include in other deals. Not a top 5 pick but this whole thing could be a disaster for Houston.

Morey is stealing Butler. The sound of 4 1st rounders seems big when it actually isnt because he doesnt actually lose something of importance to him.

He simply doesnt build through the draft, so giving away a bunch of late 1st round picks isnt an issue. And when CP3 or Butler start to decline, Morey is good enough that he will re-tool on the fly rather than a rebuild. So, a Billy King situation is not going to happen here. Also, 2nd round picks are sometimes better than really late 1st rounders because of guaranteed contracts. You can sign second rounders for less and the talent is negligible.

So, yeah. This is a bad deal for the wolves, but still better than what the Heat are offering.

[kekgeek]

So. with Harden, Paul, Butler and Capella, Houston may be a top 4 team through at least 2023...so we're looking at 3 very late first round picks plus the chance of a good pick in 2025 (assuming a couple of those guys are gone by then). Combine that with how awful we are going to be for at least 2 years with Butler gone, and I have a difficult time getting excited about this offer. This team will look like the Wolves we watched in preseason this year, and that just might drive a few of us away. I'm still in the camp of waiting until we get a better offer. Late first round picks just don't do much for me.

Chris paul is already 33 hell he'll be 39 and out of the league in 2023, Butler could still walk in the offseason. You take the pick deal. Paul and butler are often injured.

Those picks might become good. We'll have cap space in 2020 with this trade. 2 picks in the possible draft.

IF this wasn't leaked by butler camp. This trade is a no brainer to me. And I've been anti butler trade