Windhorst: Towns and Butler pushing for Irving trade

[mjs34]

Trade Wiggins for Irving, and this team is back at the bottom in two more years. If Irving is willing to ask for a trade playing on the current cleveland team, he is definitely not the guy I want on our team. There is only one ball, and I don't think KAT wants to see his touches go down. We will likely see a mass exodus in two years with nothing to show for it.

GS is likely losing KD in another year or two, as their lux tax bill will be exploding. Hold off making another move.

If he's buddies with Butler as reported that mass exodus just isn't gonna happen. It's not random that Minnesota was on that list. Butler and Towns would both be under new long-term (that's key) deals when Kyrie's is up making it much more likely to re-sign. I don't see that mass exodus happening especially due to Towns. He has the least leverage of the 3 to do anything.

Kyrie has a player option on his third year, and there is almost no chance he doesn't opt out to get more money, which means he is a FA the same time Butler is. If they realize they can't get by GS, why wouldn't they go shopping. Teams can clear a huge amount of space if they see an opportunity.

[Monster]

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shit like that is probably why he wants to get out

One of the dumbest questions I've ever seen from a reporter. And that's saying something!

Kyrie' reaction was hilarious thanks for sharing that.

Maybe that was a dumber question but I'll always enjoy this one and Doc's reaction.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zHONkriTmQY

[mrhockey89]

I don't see Kyrie ending up here for the reasons I gave above. Nor do I see Kyrie ending up in Miami. I see the Knicks as a realistic possibility in a Melo for Kyrie deal. The Cavs could then sign Derrick Rose as their new starting PG. LeBron's a facilitator and Melo is a scorer. It would be an interesting pairing. Otherwise, I could see the Spurs dealing Aldridge for Kyrie. The Spurs would then need help up front. The Wolves could come to the rescue and offer Cole Aldrich for a 2nd round pick. :)

Hello again my K9 loving friends. Very exciting that the Wolves are constantly in the news for the right reasons this offseason. If I would have told anyone at the end of last season that our Big 3 going into next season would be Kyrie, Jimmy B, and KAT, everyone would have called me crazy (including myself), and now it's a distinct possibility.

I just opened this thread and have a couple thoughts on Lip's suggestions. First, I completely agree that if we had Ricky still, that would make this trade a lot more possible and more likely. If Kyrie would have asked for the trade a month ago, I'd say it'd also be more likely since it would have been much easier to fill the vacant wing position.

I can't see the Cavs taking Melo for Kyrie straight up, it would take a lot more at this point in time I think. Melo's value isn't near what it once was. If the Knicks had picked Dennis Smith, then Melo+Smith would have worked I bet, though. The Knicks really lack assets right now, unless they're willing to include Porzingis, which I don't think the Knicks will do now that Phil is out.

I also don't see Aldridge being anything of interest for the Cavs. The Cavs need players who can match up in today's NBA, specifically with the Warriors. Aldridge, a throwback NBA big, doesn't do that. If they get Aldridge, they get a somewhat aging veteran who downgrades their likelihood of getting over the hump completely = LeBron gone = no help with the rebuild either. I don't think it would make sense for the Wolves to help the Spurs get Kyrie either just to drop Aldrich. I see that as the Wolves helping a WC rival block our own road to a championship run. Kyrie helps the Spurs more than Aldrich's contract hurts the Wolves at this point.

The Wolves clearly have the most to offer the Cavs if they were willing to part with Wiggins for him. Worst case for the Cavs in that situation, they get a key piece to a rebuild project in a coveted (wing) position to have one. And if LeBron walks, it also softens that blow. Best case for the Cavs, Wiggins flourishes when he's an afterthought on the floor for defenses and offenses. But I also agree with everyone that says this leaves us with a gaping hole at the wing position. Sure we can plug in Jamal Crawford into the starting lineup, but we have literally nothing on the wing behind those guys, and the free agency market in those positions is getting pretty thin. Plus, then we'd have a surplus at PG. With that said, the Wolves could always trade Teague for a wing in December and look a lot more balanced, if they wanted Kyrie for Wiggins. I don't see much chance of getting Kyrie without Wiggins... perhaps offering Patton+2 future Wolves 1st+OKC 1st+Gorgui gets it done, but probably not what the Cavs are looking for unless they're absolutely convinced LeBron walks.

[mrhockey89]

Trade Wiggins for Irving, and this team is back at the bottom in two more years. If Irving is willing to ask for a trade playing on the current cleveland team, he is definitely not the guy I want on our team. There is only one ball, and I don't think KAT wants to see his touches go down. We will likely see a mass exodus in two years with nothing to show for it.

GS is likely losing KD in another year or two, as their lux tax bill will be exploding. Hold off making another move.

If he's buddies with Butler as reported that mass exodus just isn't gonna happen. It's not random that Minnesota was on that list. Butler and Towns would both be under new long-term (that's key) deals when Kyrie's is up making it much more likely to re-sign. I don't see that mass exodus happening especially due to Towns. He has the least leverage of the 3 to do anything.

Kyrie has a player option on his third year, and there is almost no chance he doesn't opt out to get more money, which means he is a FA the same time Butler is. If they realize they can't get by GS, why wouldn't they go shopping. Teams can clear a huge amount of space if they see an opportunity.

If they're such good friends, they'd be voluntarily splitting up (no team will have cap room to sign both of them to max contracts). Golden State will have to blow things up in a couple years (aka drop a player) or else get players to take less. Unless KAT gets injured, this would be Kyrie and Butler's best chance at dethroning the Warriors. If we got both of them on the team, neither walks in two years

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

Trade Wiggins for Irving, and this team is back at the bottom in two more years. If Irving is willing to ask for a trade playing on the current cleveland team, he is definitely not the guy I want on our team. There is only one ball, and I don't think KAT wants to see his touches go down. We will likely see a mass exodus in two years with nothing to show for it.

GS is likely losing KD in another year or two, as their lux tax bill will be exploding. Hold off making another move.

If he's buddies with Butler as reported that mass exodus just isn't gonna happen. It's not random that Minnesota was on that list. Butler and Towns would both be under new long-term (that's key) deals when Kyrie's is up making it much more likely to re-sign. I don't see that mass exodus happening especially due to Towns. He has the least leverage of the 3 to do anything.

Kyrie has a player option on his third year, and there is almost no chance he doesn't opt out to get more money, which means he is a FA the same time Butler is. If they realize they can't get by GS, why wouldn't they go shopping. Teams can clear a huge amount of space if they see an opportunity.

Please enlighten me on which team is going to open max cap space to sign Kyrie or Butler to a veteran max that would still be able to keep their two other all-star players they would need to have to be a better destination than us? And then add in we can offer the most money and I find it much more likely they stay and sign together than breakup and leave to different destinations to be on weaker teams that have an even smaller chance to beat the Warriors. That logic just makes no sense that they would leave because they couldn't beat the Warriors when there would be nobody available who they could join in free agency to be a better challenge to the Warriors than us. You're basically saying they should see where they can go to make less money and have less of a chance to beat the Warriors. That math doesn't add up.

[mjs34]

Please enlighten me on which team is going to open max cap space to sign Kyrie or Butler to a veteran max that would still be able to keep their two other all-star players they would need to have to be a better destination than us? And then add in we can offer the most money and I find it much more likely they stay and sign together than breakup and leave to different destinations to be on weaker teams that have an even smaller chance to beat the Warriors. That logic just makes no sense that they would leave because they couldn't beat the Warriors when there would be nobody available who they could join in free agency to be a better challenge to the Warriors than us. You're basically saying they should see where they can go to make less money and have less of a chance to beat the Warriors. That math doesn't add up.

How about SA who only has Leonard on the books that year. They could take in both guys, and still have cap space, not to mention all the vets that would be jumping at the chance to fill out their team. How about the LAC, who right now would have Blake on the books and nothing else. LAL could make that happen as well. HOU would need to unload Ryan Andersen, and Eric Gordon, who would both be on expiring deals. Certainly not out of the real of possibility.

Neither guy is entitled to the max extension, so the money wouldn't be a huge obstacle, particularly when you are making 150 mil already.

When I hear KAT say he is on board with the deal, I will rest a little easier (if it happens). But after his initial reaction to the butler deal, I don't think I would pencil him in as a long term wolf. He clearly thinks of this as his team, and I don't think Kyrie would see it that way.

[mrhockey89]

Please enlighten me on which team is going to open max cap space to sign Kyrie or Butler to a veteran max that would still be able to keep their two other all-star players they would need to have to be a better destination than us? And then add in we can offer the most money and I find it much more likely they stay and sign together than breakup and leave to different destinations to be on weaker teams that have an even smaller chance to beat the Warriors. That logic just makes no sense that they would leave because they couldn't beat the Warriors when there would be nobody available who they could join in free agency to be a better challenge to the Warriors than us. You're basically saying they should see where they can go to make less money and have less of a chance to beat the Warriors. That math doesn't add up.

How about SA who only has Leonard on the books that year. They could take in both guys, and still have cap space, not to mention all the vets that would be jumping at the chance to fill out their team. How about the LAC, who right now would have Blake on the books and nothing else. LAL could make that happen as well. HOU would need to unload Ryan Andersen, and Eric Gordon, who would both be on expiring deals. Certainly not out of the real of possibility.

Neither guy is entitled to the max extension, so the money wouldn't be a huge obstacle, particularly when you are making 150 mil already.

When I hear KAT say he is on board with the deal, I will rest a little easier (if it happens). But after his initial reaction to the butler deal, I don't think I would pencil him in as a long term wolf. He clearly thinks of this as his team, and I don't think Kyrie would see it that way.

ESPN's report suggested both Towns and Butler were recruiting Kyrie to Minnesota, so wouldn't that suggest he's on board?

[mjs34]

Please enlighten me on which team is going to open max cap space to sign Kyrie or Butler to a veteran max that would still be able to keep their two other all-star players they would need to have to be a better destination than us? And then add in we can offer the most money and I find it much more likely they stay and sign together than breakup and leave to different destinations to be on weaker teams that have an even smaller chance to beat the Warriors. That logic just makes no sense that they would leave because they couldn't beat the Warriors when there would be nobody available who they could join in free agency to be a better challenge to the Warriors than us. You're basically saying they should see where they can go to make less money and have less of a chance to beat the Warriors. That math doesn't add up.

How about SA who only has Leonard on the books that year. They could take in both guys, and still have cap space, not to mention all the vets that would be jumping at the chance to fill out their team. How about the LAC, who right now would have Blake on the books and nothing else. LAL could make that happen as well. HOU would need to unload Ryan Andersen, and Eric Gordon, who would both be on expiring deals. Certainly not out of the real of possibility.

Neither guy is entitled to the max extension, so the money wouldn't be a huge obstacle, particularly when you are making 150 mil already.

When I hear KAT say he is on board with the deal, I will rest a little easier (if it happens). But after his initial reaction to the butler deal, I don't think I would pencil him in as a long term wolf. He clearly thinks of this as his team, and I don't think Kyrie would see it that way.

ESPN's report suggested both Towns and Butler were recruiting Kyrie to Minnesota, so wouldn't that suggest he's on board?

Sorry, but I am not going off an ESPN report on something like that. They gave credibility in the article because their fathers were both involved in NJ BB.

[mrhockey89]

It wouldn't make sense for Towns to go public on something like that unless it happens when Wiggins is the most likely trade piece

[Squishypoo [enjin:6648839]]

Think some on here are taking the 'MY TEAM' Thing a little to far..