Around the NBA (non-Wolves talk)
- Camden [enjin:6601484]
- Posts: 18065
- Joined: Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:00 am
Re: Around the NBA (non-Wolves talk)
When it comes to re-signing players or even signing free agents, I'm now on the side that thinks that isn't as big of an issue as it once was in Minnesota. Call it the Jimmy Butler effect. I think he's well-respected throughout the entire league, he's played with and against the top talent in the league on Team USA, we've seen how that can create good relationships, and overall Jimmy's just an awesome guy on and off the court. I think he's an attractive piece for more reasons than just his individual game.
Re: Around the NBA (non-Wolves talk)
Camden wrote:When it comes to re-signing players or even signing free agents, I'm now on the side that thinks that isn't as big of an issue as it once was in Minnesota. Call it the Jimmy Butler effect. I think he's well-respected throughout the entire league, he's played with and against the top talent in the league on Team USA, we've seen how that can create good relationships, and overall Jimmy's just an awesome guy on and off the court. I think he's an attractive piece for more reasons than just his individual game.
Don't you think Thibs is offsetting that positive influence? Unless you're signed to be one of the top 8 you won't play often, and if you are you'll play virtually the entire game.
- Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
- Posts: 13844
- Joined: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:00 am
Re: Around the NBA (non-Wolves talk)
Camden wrote:There was a handful of guys I would have been just fine with at our draft spot -- Justin Patton and John Collins being two of them. I liked both of them and would have been happy either way.
I see Patton as the Clint Capela type big man. Nothing too special, but damn good in his role. Highly efficient on offense despite having a somewhat limited skill set. Relies on length and fluidity for a big. Very versatile defender. It remains to be seen if Patton can get to the level Capela's at right now, but I think that's the vision with him. He needs to get stronger, stay healthy obviously, and stay in his lane. I like his chances, personally.
He probably has better offensive upside than Capela in terms of post moves and passing, but defensively....oof....I'm just not sure. I think one of the hardest things to project in a young big man is his long term defensive potential....So, so hard to figure out if they will eventually learn all the nuances and techniques of proper positioning.
- Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
- Posts: 13844
- Joined: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:00 am
Re: Around the NBA (non-Wolves talk)
TheSP wrote:Camden wrote:When it comes to re-signing players or even signing free agents, I'm now on the side that thinks that isn't as big of an issue as it once was in Minnesota. Call it the Jimmy Butler effect. I think he's well-respected throughout the entire league, he's played with and against the top talent in the league on Team USA, we've seen how that can create good relationships, and overall Jimmy's just an awesome guy on and off the court. I think he's an attractive piece for more reasons than just his individual game.
Don't you think Thibs is offsetting that positive influence? Unless you're signed to be one of the top 8 you won't play often, and if you are you'll play virtually the entire game.
That's actually a really good point.
- Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
- Posts: 13844
- Joined: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:00 am
Re: Around the NBA (non-Wolves talk)
monsterpile wrote:I get the Love for Dunn playing well maybe doing something. Regardless of age he is in his 2nd year doing some positive things. There is hope for upside there. Rubio is what he has been the last however many years. Does some legit good stuff but is a bad shooter. Trading him for a 1st round pick looks good to me. It's a good thing the Jazz has a bunch of young talent and signed some bargain FAs and made some good moves in the past. Trading 1st round picks in back to back drafts to try and fill their PG spot isn't exactly the best strategy. Maybe they should have just signed a guy like Collison or whoever was left after everyone else got money.
My original point on Dunn and Rubio wasn't to revisit either of those trades, but instead to simply point out that both came out with impressive wins the other night. Ricky led his team in scoring @ Boston and Dunn has started every game of the Bulls' 5-game win streak.
I also had to give Khansy a hard time because I know how much he loves both of our former point guards!
Re: Around the NBA (non-Wolves talk)
Thibs got Jimmy Butler here. He has shown that he will play competent players, look at Tyus and Belly when he was healthy. He even plays Crawford and Dieng probably more minutes than they deserve. Once we get more horses they'll get more run. Our bench has been so bad it's forced Thibs hand for now.
- Q12543 [enjin:6621299]
- Posts: 13844
- Joined: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:00 am
Re: Around the NBA (non-Wolves talk)
thedoper wrote:Thibs got Jimmy Butler here. He has shown that he will play competent players, look at Tyus and Belly when he was healthy. He even plays Crawford and Dieng probably more minutes than they deserve. Once we get more horses they'll get more run. Our bench has been so bad it's forced Thibs hand for now.
I think some would argue that both Tyus and Bjelly could be played more minutes. We aren't going to get a good 3&D wing here via free agency if they can't get close to 20 MPG or more.
Re: Around the NBA (non-Wolves talk)
Q12543 wrote:thedoper wrote:Thibs got Jimmy Butler here. He has shown that he will play competent players, look at Tyus and Belly when he was healthy. He even plays Crawford and Dieng probably more minutes than they deserve. Once we get more horses they'll get more run. Our bench has been so bad it's forced Thibs hand for now.
I think some would argue that both Tyus and Bjelly could be played more minutes. We aren't going to get a good 3&D wing here via free agency if they can't get close to 20 MPG or more.
I agree with that logic. It seems that Tyus's minutes have trended upwards and Belly needs to get back quick. I'm confident the MLE could give us a nice back up wing next year.
- AbeVigodaLive
- Posts: 9960
- Joined: Thu Jul 11, 2013 12:00 am
Re: Around the NBA (non-Wolves talk)
Q12543 wrote:thedoper wrote:Thibs got Jimmy Butler here. He has shown that he will play competent players, look at Tyus and Belly when he was healthy. He even plays Crawford and Dieng probably more minutes than they deserve. Once we get more horses they'll get more run. Our bench has been so bad it's forced Thibs hand for now.
I think some would argue that both Tyus and Bjelly could be played more minutes. We aren't going to get a good 3&D wing here via free agency if they can't get close to 20 MPG or more.
Yep. Look at Jamal Crawford.
Now. I'm not saying he's even worthy of 20+ mpg. But he thinks he is... and is on record that he's not particularly happy about the lack of playing time. He hasn't played this few minutes since 2001.
So what? Well... Crawford is highly respected throughout the league, especially among players... despite a seemingly selfish style on the court. That stuff might matter to other players.
- Camden [enjin:6601484]
- Posts: 18065
- Joined: Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:00 am
Re: Around the NBA (non-Wolves talk)
TheSP wrote:Camden wrote:When it comes to re-signing players or even signing free agents, I'm now on the side that thinks that isn't as big of an issue as it once was in Minnesota. Call it the Jimmy Butler effect. I think he's well-respected throughout the entire league, he's played with and against the top talent in the league on Team USA, we've seen how that can create good relationships, and overall Jimmy's just an awesome guy on and off the court. I think he's an attractive piece for more reasons than just his individual game.
Don't you think Thibs is offsetting that positive influence? Unless you're signed to be one of the top 8 you won't play often, and if you are you'll play virtually the entire game.
I don't. I still believe that Thibodeau is an elite coach in this league and that has value in itself. I also think players would tend to like having their head coach also be the decision maker in terms of management. One less relationship they have to worry about.
Also, Thibs would gladly play his bench more if he had legitimate options. Crawford, Muhammad, George-Hunt, Aldrich. Those aren't guys you want playing 20 MPG anyway. Jones deserves some more minutes, and Bjelica has nights where he should get more run, sure, but besides them, the cupboard isn't full. We need to make a couple more moves.
Last summer, however, Thibs did seem to sure up the starting lineup. That unit has been just fine, collectively.