WildWolf2813 wrote:KAT needs to man up and learn defense, but who is gonna teach him? I don't think Thibs is qualified anymore to show it.
Fun stat that was brought up by Britt Robson in an article on the athletic a while ago. The Wolves had the best defensive rating in the NBA in the first quarter.
What guy on our team almost always played the entire first quarter?
WildWolf2813 wrote:KAT needs to man up and learn defense, but who is gonna teach him? I don't think Thibs is qualified anymore to show it.
Fun stat that was brought up by Britt Robson in an article on the athletic a while ago. The Wolves had the best defensive rating in the NBA in the first quarter.
What guy on our team almost always played the entire first quarter?
Interesting point Cool. I had to look up the minutes for the 1st quarter I really wasn't sure who it was going to be.
Wolves had the worst defensive rating in the 4th quarter in the NBA. They were still good offensively in the 4th In rating but the defense was bad enough to make it their only negative net rating of any quarter. Their 2nd quarter offense was best in the NBA. If you are wondering yes Carfors averaged more minutes in the 4th quarter than Wiggins. Sometimes I think that did make sense. Other times...no. Interestingly Crawford had a positive plus minus in the 4th quarter. Anywho that was kinda fun.
WildWolf2813 wrote:KAT needs to man up and learn defense, but who is gonna teach him? I don't think Thibs is qualified anymore to show it.
Fun stat that was brought up by Britt Robson in an article on the athletic a while ago. The Wolves had the best defensive rating in the NBA in the first quarter.
What guy on our team almost always played the entire first quarter?
Interesting point Cool. I had to look up the minutes for the 1st quarter I really wasn't sure who it was going to be.
Wolves had the worst defensive rating in the 4th quarter in the NBA. They were still good offensively in the 4th In rating but the defense was bad enough to make it their only negative net rating of any quarter. Their 2nd quarter offense was best in the NBA. If you are wondering yes Carfors averaged more minutes in the 4th quarter than Wiggins. Sometimes I think that did make sense. Other times...no. Interestingly Crawford had a positive plus minus in the 4th quarter. Anywho that was kinda fun.
Surprising that we were that good defendively in the first. It always looked like we were hemorrhaging points at the end of first quarters when crawford and dieng came in.
WildWolf2813 wrote:KAT needs to man up and learn defense, but who is gonna teach him? I don't think Thibs is qualified anymore to show it.
Fun stat that was brought up by Britt Robson in an article on the athletic a while ago. The Wolves had the best defensive rating in the NBA in the first quarter.
What guy on our team almost always played the entire first quarter?
Interesting point Cool. I had to look up the minutes for the 1st quarter I really wasn't sure who it was going to be.
Wolves had the worst defensive rating in the 4th quarter in the NBA. They were still good offensively in the 4th In rating but the defense was bad enough to make it their only negative net rating of any quarter. Their 2nd quarter offense was best in the NBA. If you are wondering yes Carfors averaged more minutes in the 4th quarter than Wiggins. Sometimes I think that did make sense. Other times...no. Interestingly Crawford had a positive plus minus in the 4th quarter. Anywho that was kinda fun.
These kinds of statistical anomalies seem to only happen to the Wolves. I know I bring up the craziness of the 2014 season a lot... but it really was pretty crazy just how odd many of the stats were that season.
So to summarize:
1) The Wolves give us enough ammo to support BOTH sides of so many takes.
2) The Wolves fall apart regularly in the 4th quarter... and it's nothing new. It transcends players/years/coaches.
WildWolf2813 wrote:KAT needs to man up and learn defense, but who is gonna teach him? I don't think Thibs is qualified anymore to show it.
Fun stat that was brought up by Britt Robson in an article on the athletic a while ago. The Wolves had the best defensive rating in the NBA in the first quarter.
What guy on our team almost always played the entire first quarter?
Interesting point Cool. I had to look up the minutes for the 1st quarter I really wasn't sure who it was going to be.
Wolves had the worst defensive rating in the 4th quarter in the NBA. They were still good offensively in the 4th In rating but the defense was bad enough to make it their only negative net rating of any quarter. Their 2nd quarter offense was best in the NBA. If you are wondering yes Carfors averaged more minutes in the 4th quarter than Wiggins. Sometimes I think that did make sense. Other times...no. Interestingly Crawford had a positive plus minus in the 4th quarter. Anywho that was kinda fun.
These kinds of statistical anomalies seem to only happen to the Wolves. I know I bring up the craziness of the 2014 season a lot... but it really was pretty crazy just how odd many of the stats were that season.
So to summarize:
1) The Wolves give us enough ammo to support BOTH sides of so many takes.
2) The Wolves fall apart regularly in the 4th quarter... and it's nothing new. It transcends players/years/coaches.
I know you guys get tired of this narrative, but the bizarre difference between our defensive effectiveness in the first and 4th quarters couldn't be any more understandable to me. Our guys are TIRED in the 4th quarter, and they are playing against fresher players. I mean come on...it's basically the same guys playing at the start of the game and the end. What other reason could explain this remarkable difference?
WildWolf2813 wrote:KAT needs to man up and learn defense, but who is gonna teach him? I don't think Thibs is qualified anymore to show it.
Fun stat that was brought up by Britt Robson in an article on the athletic a while ago. The Wolves had the best defensive rating in the NBA in the first quarter.
What guy on our team almost always played the entire first quarter?
Interesting point Cool. I had to look up the minutes for the 1st quarter I really wasn't sure who it was going to be.
Wolves had the worst defensive rating in the 4th quarter in the NBA. They were still good offensively in the 4th In rating but the defense was bad enough to make it their only negative net rating of any quarter. Their 2nd quarter offense was best in the NBA. If you are wondering yes Carfors averaged more minutes in the 4th quarter than Wiggins. Sometimes I think that did make sense. Other times...no. Interestingly Crawford had a positive plus minus in the 4th quarter. Anywho that was kinda fun.
These kinds of statistical anomalies seem to only happen to the Wolves. I know I bring up the craziness of the 2014 season a lot... but it really was pretty crazy just how odd many of the stats were that season.
So to summarize:
1) The Wolves give us enough ammo to support BOTH sides of so many takes.
2) The Wolves fall apart regularly in the 4th quarter... and it's nothing new. It transcends players/years/coaches.
I know you guys get tired of this narrative, but the bizarre difference between our defensive effectiveness in the first and 4th quarters couldn't be any more understandable to me. Our guys are TIRED in the 4th quarter, and they are playing against fresher players. I mean come on...it's basically the same guys playing at the start of the game and the end. What other reason could explain this remarkable difference?
I mean in 2014 we had 14 guys average more than 10 minutes a game and had a potential hall of fame coach then.
What is your reasoning why we blew so many games that year.
WildWolf2813 wrote:KAT needs to man up and learn defense, but who is gonna teach him? I don't think Thibs is qualified anymore to show it.
Fun stat that was brought up by Britt Robson in an article on the athletic a while ago. The Wolves had the best defensive rating in the NBA in the first quarter.
What guy on our team almost always played the entire first quarter?
Interesting point Cool. I had to look up the minutes for the 1st quarter I really wasn't sure who it was going to be.
Wolves had the worst defensive rating in the 4th quarter in the NBA. They were still good offensively in the 4th In rating but the defense was bad enough to make it their only negative net rating of any quarter. Their 2nd quarter offense was best in the NBA. If you are wondering yes Carfors averaged more minutes in the 4th quarter than Wiggins. Sometimes I think that did make sense. Other times...no. Interestingly Crawford had a positive plus minus in the 4th quarter. Anywho that was kinda fun.
These kinds of statistical anomalies seem to only happen to the Wolves. I know I bring up the craziness of the 2014 season a lot... but it really was pretty crazy just how odd many of the stats were that season.
So to summarize:
1) The Wolves give us enough ammo to support BOTH sides of so many takes.
2) The Wolves fall apart regularly in the 4th quarter... and it's nothing new. It transcends players/years/coaches.
I know you guys get tired of this narrative, but the bizarre difference between our defensive effectiveness in the first and 4th quarters couldn't be any more understandable to me. Our guys are TIRED in the 4th quarter, and they are playing against fresher players. I mean come on...it's basically the same guys playing at the start of the game and the end. What other reason could explain this remarkable difference?
I mean in 2014 we had 14 guys average more than 10 minutes a game and had a potential hall of fame coach then.
What is your reasoning why we blew so many games that year.
It's LST... there's a VERY good chance it was still Thibs' fault.
WildWolf2813 wrote:KAT needs to man up and learn defense, but who is gonna teach him? I don't think Thibs is qualified anymore to show it.
Fun stat that was brought up by Britt Robson in an article on the athletic a while ago. The Wolves had the best defensive rating in the NBA in the first quarter.
What guy on our team almost always played the entire first quarter?
Interesting point Cool. I had to look up the minutes for the 1st quarter I really wasn't sure who it was going to be.
Wolves had the worst defensive rating in the 4th quarter in the NBA. They were still good offensively in the 4th In rating but the defense was bad enough to make it their only negative net rating of any quarter. Their 2nd quarter offense was best in the NBA. If you are wondering yes Carfors averaged more minutes in the 4th quarter than Wiggins. Sometimes I think that did make sense. Other times...no. Interestingly Crawford had a positive plus minus in the 4th quarter. Anywho that was kinda fun.
These kinds of statistical anomalies seem to only happen to the Wolves. I know I bring up the craziness of the 2014 season a lot... but it really was pretty crazy just how odd many of the stats were that season.
So to summarize:
1) The Wolves give us enough ammo to support BOTH sides of so many takes.
2) The Wolves fall apart regularly in the 4th quarter... and it's nothing new. It transcends players/years/coaches.
I know you guys get tired of this narrative, but the bizarre difference between our defensive effectiveness in the first and 4th quarters couldn't be any more understandable to me. Our guys are TIRED in the 4th quarter, and they are playing against fresher players. I mean come on...it's basically the same guys playing at the start of the game and the end. What other reason could explain this remarkable difference?
OK....but they were still 4th in offensive rating. I don't think you get to pick and say they suck at defense because they are tired, but they are elite at offense because.....they are tired. Just doesn't seem to mesh.
I am with LST in believing minutes is a significant problem with Thibs. But I think the "players get tired" is not as big a problem as "the bench players cannot get in a good rhythm with such limited minutes".
Another possible problem is we play a lot more ISO. Does that make the guys not involved in the offense less engaged, and therefore not as effective on the defensive side?
If our stars (Towns and Wiggins in particular, but crunchtime-Butler, too) were more focused on creating good shots for other players, then everyone would be more engaged. I am hopefully it's more a "maturity problem" than a "they cannot do it" problem.
Thibs year one: See what we got. Thibs year two: Major overhaul. Thibs year three: Fine tuning.
60WinTim wrote:I am with LST in believing minutes is a significant problem with Thibs. But I think the "players get tired" is not as big a problem as "the bench players cannot get in a good rhythm with such limited minutes".
Another possible problem is we play a lot more ISO. Does that make the guys not involved in the offense less engaged, and therefore not as effective on the defensive side?
If our stars (Towns and Wiggins in particular, but crunchtime-Butler, too) were more focused on creating good shots for other players, then everyone would be more engaged. I am hopefully it's more a "maturity problem" than a "they cannot do it" problem.
Thibs year one: See what we got. Thibs year two: Major overhaul. Thibs year three: Fine tuning.
Great post. I think it is more than fair to assume this team has the potential to get better with the core roster. That coupled with some bench depth could go long way. Thibs by word certainly seems to want an engaged group for the whole game. Let's see if it actually works in practice.
