worldK wrote:2 things are happening right now regarding how lebron is being perceived.
1. Lebron is THE best basketball player on the planet right now. No one, not durant, curry or a healthy leonard is on his level.
2. Lebron has won the public over and basically justified himself when/if he choose to leave cleveland this off season. He carried this team to the finals and played at an unbelievable level all throhuout the playoffs. Arguably one the best playoff performance we have seen. Almost willed the cavs to a game 1 finals win and a win last night would have been a game changer and possibly their only chance of winning the series. But his teammates blew it with heir blunders. You now feel sorry for lebron. He has now become the underdog going against 4 all stars and playing with jr smith.
Part of me wants LeBron to join Houston so that he can put these Warriors in their place. I know the West doesn't need to get any more difficult, but I'm so tired of Golden State getting lucky breaks when they're as good as they are. Luckiest champions of all-time. And I've never seen a superstar like Steph Curry get babied by the public so much.
Keep an eye on Kevon Looney. Ive mentioned him in a post before as a player I would target this off season. He is an unrestricted free agent and would be an excellent fit next to towns and an ideal replacement for taj in the future.
worldK wrote:2 things are happening right now regarding how lebron is being perceived.
1. Lebron is THE best basketball player on the planet right now. No one, not durant, curry or a healthy leonard is on his level.
2. Lebron has won the public over and basically justified himself when/if he choose to leave cleveland this off season. He carried this team to the finals and played at an unbelievable level all throhuout the playoffs. Arguably one the best playoff performance we have seen. Almost willed the cavs to a game 1 finals win and a win last night would have been a game changer and possibly their only chance of winning the series. But his teammates blew it with heir blunders. You now feel sorry for lebron. He has now become the underdog going against 4 all stars and playing with jr smith.
Part of me wants LeBron to join Houston so that he can put these Warriors in their place. I know the West doesn't need to get any more difficult, but I'm so tired of Golden State getting lucky breaks when they're as good as they are. Luckiest champions of all-time. And I've never seen a superstar like Steph Curry get babied by the public so much.
....should be an interesting summer. Not sure how Harden, LeBron, and Paul could all co-exist, but that would be a ridiculously formidable team.
What about Boston? (ha, Irving would be in his shadow again I guess)
worldK wrote:Keep an eye on Kevon Looney. Ive mentioned him in a post before as a player I would target this off season. He is an unrestricted free agent and would be an excellent fit next to towns and an ideal replacement for taj in the future.
Not sure signing another big is a priority for us this summer, but I do like him. He is very good at guarding out on the perimeter, which is why he's probably replaced Zaza. It's amazing how some of these bigs have become completely obsolete. If you can't switch and guard out on the perimeter, you are out of most team's rotation.
worldK wrote:Keep an eye on Kevon Looney. Ive mentioned him in a post before as a player I would target this off season. He is an unrestricted free agent and would be an excellent fit next to towns and an ideal replacement for taj in the future.
Not sure signing another big is a priority for us this summer, but I do like him. He is very good at guarding out on the perimeter, which is why he's probably replaced Zaza. It's amazing how some of these bigs have become completely obsolete. If you can't switch and guard out on the perimeter, you are out of most team's rotation.
Signing a big is not top priority but Looney being unrestricted and us being limited in what we can offer.( Can we use the full mid level?) makes me think that it would be good to get him if we can.
Shooters and a 3rd wing is the priority but I dont feel we can address that with free agency. Getting a 3rd wing and volume shooter would have to come from trades or striking gold with the 20th pick.
Looney and hezonja are two unrestricted free agents that i would be willing to take a chance on. Both still very young and has shown good promise this season. i see them as high rewards guy that will be out of our price range after this offseason or if they are restricted. If you like them, now is the chance to get them at good value.
We need to hit on the 20th pick and our second rounders. Find a way to trade or clear dieng or teague's contract. Im leaning towards keeping Towns, butler and Wig for another year but if things look bleak by the deadline, then i will look to explore trades for jimmy.
worldK wrote:Keep an eye on Kevon Looney. Ive mentioned him in a post before as a player I would target this off season. He is an unrestricted free agent and would be an excellent fit next to towns and an ideal replacement for taj in the future.
Not sure signing another big is a priority for us this summer, but I do like him. He is very good at guarding out on the perimeter, which is why he's probably replaced Zaza. It's amazing how some of these bigs have become completely obsolete. If you can't switch and guard out on the perimeter, you are out of most team's rotation.
Signing a big is not top priority but Looney being unrestricted and us being limited in what we can offer.( Can we use the full mid level?) makes me think that it would be good to get him if we can.
Shooters and a 3rd wing is the priority but I dont feel we can address that with free agency. Getting a 3rd wing and volume shooter would have to come from trades or striking gold with the 20th pick.
Looney and hezonja are two unrestricted free agents that i would be willing to take a chance on. Both still very young and has shown good promise this season. i see them as high rewards guy that will be out of our price range after this offseason or if they are restricted. If you like them, now is the chance to get them at good value.
We need to hit on the 20th pick and our second rounders. Find a way to trade or clear dieng or teague's contract. Im leaning towards keeping Towns, butler and Wig for another year but if things look bleak by the deadline, then i will look to explore trades for jimmy.
I get why you would go after Loney. He Is only 22 and has some talent. The question is why would he come here? Is he going to start? Probably not. Is he going to play more than 25mpg? Ummm maybe depending on if Belly comes back. It depends on how you value him. How much money are we talking here? Full mid level? No way unless you think this guy is literally going to be as valuable as Taj Gibson and you want to lock him in for 3-4 yeas it makes no sense. 3-4 million of the mid level? Why would he do that when he can go back to the Warriors for just a little less and play decent minutes and have a chance at winning a title next year? After that he could look for a bigger payday when there is supposed to be a little more money available in 2019 and he will still only be 23. If someone is going to get Loney they are going to have to either pay a lot more than GS or have a much bigger role. Let's be honest Loney could end up being a good complementary player...he could also be just some guy. We might have that sort of player in Amile or even Patton. Remember Loney had some injury problems which was partly why he dropped so low in the draft and had problems staying healthy and being in shape. I think we need to develop our own versatile (defensively) guy like this (and or get more out of Dieng till it happens) not pay for another one.
worldK wrote:Keep an eye on Kevon Looney. Ive mentioned him in a post before as a player I would target this off season. He is an unrestricted free agent and would be an excellent fit next to towns and an ideal replacement for taj in the future.
Not sure signing another big is a priority for us this summer, but I do like him. He is very good at guarding out on the perimeter, which is why he's probably replaced Zaza. It's amazing how some of these bigs have become completely obsolete. If you can't switch and guard out on the perimeter, you are out of most team's rotation.
Signing a big is not top priority but Looney being unrestricted and us being limited in what we can offer.( Can we use the full mid level?) makes me think that it would be good to get him if we can.
Shooters and a 3rd wing is the priority but I dont feel we can address that with free agency. Getting a 3rd wing and volume shooter would have to come from trades or striking gold with the 20th pick.
Looney and hezonja are two unrestricted free agents that i would be willing to take a chance on. Both still very young and has shown good promise this season. i see them as high rewards guy that will be out of our price range after this offseason or if they are restricted. If you like them, now is the chance to get them at good value.
We need to hit on the 20th pick and our second rounders. Find a way to trade or clear dieng or teague's contract. Im leaning towards keeping Towns, butler and Wig for another year but if things look bleak by the deadline, then i will look to explore trades for jimmy.
I get why you would go after Loney. He Is only 22 and has some talent. The question is why would he come here? Is he going to start? Probably not. Is he going to play more than 25mpg? Ummm maybe depending on if Belly comes back. It depends on how you value him. How much money are we talking here? Full mid level? No way unless you think this guy is literally going to be as valuable as Taj Gibson and you want to lock him in for 3-4 yeas it makes no sense. 3-4 million of the mid level? Why would he do that when he can go back to the Warriors for just a little less and play decent minutes and have a chance at winning a title next year? After that he could look for a bigger payday when there is supposed to be a little more money available in 2019 and he will still only be 23. If someone is going to get Loney they are going to have to either pay a lot more than GS or have a much bigger role. Let's be honest Loney could end up being a good complementary player...he could also be just some guy. We might have that sort of player in Amile or even Patton. Remember Loney had some injury problems which was partly why he dropped so low in the draft and had problems staying healthy and being in shape. I think we need to develop our own versatile (defensively) guy like this (and or get more out of Dieng till it happens) not pay for another one.
Well monster, what free agent do you think we can sign with our midlevel? Developing players to fit a skill set is easier said than done. Dieng has been one of the worst defensive bigs in the league. Towns has all the tools but seems unble to put them together. Amile lacks the athletecism of a gibson and patton has played 1 total game for us and would be out injurednthe whole summer. My point is looney will be out of our price range after next season. If he stay with warriors, it will be a 1 year deal where he is going to bet on himself and he will likely be their starting 5 next season and command bigger salary after next season. Yes, we cant guarantee him a starting spot but we can throw him some money now and groom him to be taj's replacement down the line. Injury will be a concern as it is to all players, it depends on how you view him.
worldK wrote:Keep an eye on Kevon Looney. Ive mentioned him in a post before as a player I would target this off season. He is an unrestricted free agent and would be an excellent fit next to towns and an ideal replacement for taj in the future.
Not sure signing another big is a priority for us this summer, but I do like him. He is very good at guarding out on the perimeter, which is why he's probably replaced Zaza. It's amazing how some of these bigs have become completely obsolete. If you can't switch and guard out on the perimeter, you are out of most team's rotation.
Signing a big is not top priority but Looney being unrestricted and us being limited in what we can offer.( Can we use the full mid level?) makes me think that it would be good to get him if we can.
Shooters and a 3rd wing is the priority but I dont feel we can address that with free agency. Getting a 3rd wing and volume shooter would have to come from trades or striking gold with the 20th pick.
Looney and hezonja are two unrestricted free agents that i would be willing to take a chance on. Both still very young and has shown good promise this season. i see them as high rewards guy that will be out of our price range after this offseason or if they are restricted. If you like them, now is the chance to get them at good value.
We need to hit on the 20th pick and our second rounders. Find a way to trade or clear dieng or teague's contract. Im leaning towards keeping Towns, butler and Wig for another year but if things look bleak by the deadline, then i will look to explore trades for jimmy.
I get why you would go after Loney. He Is only 22 and has some talent. The question is why would he come here? Is he going to start? Probably not. Is he going to play more than 25mpg? Ummm maybe depending on if Belly comes back. It depends on how you value him. How much money are we talking here? Full mid level? No way unless you think this guy is literally going to be as valuable as Taj Gibson and you want to lock him in for 3-4 yeas it makes no sense. 3-4 million of the mid level? Why would he do that when he can go back to the Warriors for just a little less and play decent minutes and have a chance at winning a title next year? After that he could look for a bigger payday when there is supposed to be a little more money available in 2019 and he will still only be 23. If someone is going to get Loney they are going to have to either pay a lot more than GS or have a much bigger role. Let's be honest Loney could end up being a good complementary player...he could also be just some guy. We might have that sort of player in Amile or even Patton. Remember Loney had some injury problems which was partly why he dropped so low in the draft and had problems staying healthy and being in shape. I think we need to develop our own versatile (defensively) guy like this (and or get more out of Dieng till it happens) not pay for another one.
Well monster, what free agent do you think we can sign with our midlevel? Developing players to fit a skill set is easier said than done. Dieng has been one of the worst defensive bigs in the league. Towns has all the tools but seems unble to put them together. Amile lacks the athletecism of a gibson and patton has played 1 total game for us and would be out injurednthe whole summer. My point is looney will be out of our price range after next season. If he stay with warriors, it will be a 1 year deal where he is going to bet on himself and he will likely be their starting 5 next season and command bigger salary after next season. Yes, we cant guarantee him a starting spot but we can throw him some money now and groom him to be taj's replacement down the line. Injury will be a concern as it is to all players, it depends on how you view him.
The thing Amile doesn't have as much of that Gibson does is length not athletic ability. The problem I have with throwing that money at Loney now is...what if he sucks? The full mid level is basically THE bigtime money this summer other than what a handful of teams that have cap space has left. We should be able to get a relatively proven player with that money if we spend it all on one guy. Like you said it depends on how you view him. I've liked him to some extent since he was drafted espcially where he was drafted. I'm still not sure he is going to be a significant player in this league or not. Also he does not help one of the biggest problems on this roster which is the lack of shooting. It's pretty difficult to sell me on spending our FA money on a guy that doesn't help in that Department. To some extent I think people are overrating Loney's ability right now and again I kinda have always liked him. I certainly wouldn't be upset if we got him but it feels like taking a chance on someone that might be able to shoot the ball from distance makes more sense.
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I like your idea of finding that young player that can grow with the team and getting them at a solid number. We on the same page there.
The other question is how good or bad is Dieng really? A year ago he had some pretty impressive advanced stats. 6th best RPM for centers. Nobody here bought into the idea he was that good but CARMELO projections actually said he was a good starter and worth more than he was getting paid. Is he really so bad he is unplayable all of the sudden? We need to get more out of that guy. He doesn't suck and he can make some corner 3's and stretch the floor some with his long range 3's. I'm not saying he should be a block to adding another player but I think there are priorities too and again getting something out of the guys you have. Dieng is basically considered a reclaimatik project right now after a down year where his per minute numbers and percentages are basically what he has done for much of his career.
I wouldn't go after Looney. Look at the teams left and what do they all have in common. They are flooded with wings and play smaller more than traditional 2 big lineups. We should be signing wings and going small, not finding more bigs. Hezonja would be a decent attempt at a young guy you hope puts it together on another team. Belly fits that mold as well. If you could throw a shooter out there with Teague/Wiggins/Butler guarding the 4 and Towns, that's a solid small ball lineup. It's all about interchangeable wings who can handle/move the ball, shoot and switch defensively 1-4. I haven't done a tone of digging yet who's available and fits that profile, but we need to add at least two of those guys this offseason.
khans2k5 wrote:I wouldn't go after Looney. Look at the teams left and what do they all have in common. They are flooded with wings and play smaller more than traditional 2 big lineups. We should be signing wings and going small, not finding more bigs. Hezonja would be a decent attempt at a young guy you hope puts it together on another team. Belly fits that mold as well. If you could throw a shooter out there with Teague/Wiggins/Butler guarding the 4 and Towns, that's a solid small ball lineup. It's all about interchangeable wings who can handle/move the ball, shoot and switch defensively 1-4. I haven't done a tone of digging yet who's available and fits that profile, but we need to add at least two of those guys this offseason.
Well said.
After reading you post I also though to myself that we need to find a PJ Tucker, Marcus Smart, Matt Barnes, Pat Beverly, Tony Allen type perimeter player that is just tough and will defend. If they can hit 3's or score in general it's a bonus but it's not needed too much. You don't have to spend big money or use a high draft pick to get one of those guys either. MGH has the physical profile and some Q score stats at lower levels to be one of those guys. He certainly had no problems being physical this season and his fouls per minutes show that. Amile although a big might be a Q score guy in the Taj mold. It would be nice if we drafted a perimeter guy with some toughness with one of our picks. Notice most of those tough players are basically 6'4" or less. Matt Barnes was the tallest guy I listed. Length is nice but sometimes just being able to be tough and strong is what you need...plus just playing hard and being hard to play against. We need another guy on the perimeter that's hard to play against every time he steps on the floor.
