TheFuture wrote:With the way Zach's shooting stats are trending then there is not a single player drafted after him that I would rather have. In fact, Zach may turn out to be one of the steals of that draft, if he isnt already regarded as one.
If you did a re-draft in 2014 lavine is a top 6 pick with wiggins, parker, embiid,randle, jokic. I think the wolves did pretty damn well.
In 2013 Gorgui would be drafted a good 12 spots higher. Bazz would be in a similar spots (just hurts with the Greek freak and Gobert were both there)
Towns still obviously the #1 pick.
This year Dunn still gets drafted at 5 if not higher. Wolves have done a good job at not blowing picks lately just at some spots like the 2013 draft maybe not get getting the best value
TheFuture wrote:With the way Zach's shooting stats are trending then there is not a single player drafted after him that I would rather have. In fact, Zach may turn out to be one of the steals of that draft, if he isnt already regarded as one.
If you did a re-draft in 2014 lavine is a top 6 pick with wiggins, parker, embiid,randle, jokic. I think the wolves did pretty damn well.
In 2013 Gorgui would be drafted a good 12 spots higher. Bazz would be in a similar spots (just hurts with the Greek freak and Gobert were both there)
Towns still obviously the #1 pick.
This year Dunn still gets drafted at 5 if not higher. Wolves have done a good job at not blowing picks lately just at some spots like the 2013 draft maybe not get getting the best value
I'm surprised a few posters here are still down on LaVine. Sure, he's not perfect yet at his young age of 21, but god damn, how many years were we longing for a good three point shooting wing who could get hot and score in bunches. Finally it seems we get a great one, with unbelievable athleticism and potential, and a quick, silky smooth stroke and people still aren't happy!
TheFuture wrote:With the way Zach's shooting stats are trending then there is not a single player drafted after him that I would rather have. In fact, Zach may turn out to be one of the steals of that draft, if he isnt already regarded as one.
If you did a re-draft in 2014 lavine is a top 6 pick with wiggins, parker, embiid,randle, jokic. I think the wolves did pretty damn well.
In 2013 Gorgui would be drafted a good 12 spots higher. Bazz would be in a similar spots (just hurts with the Greek freak and Gobert were both there)
Towns still obviously the #1 pick.
This year Dunn still gets drafted at 5 if not higher. Wolves have done a good job at not blowing picks lately just at some spots like the 2013 draft maybe not get getting the best value
I'm surprised a few posters here are still down on LaVine. Sure, he's not perfect yet at his young age of 21, but god damn, how many years were we longing for a good three point shooting wing who could get hot and score in bunches. Finally it seems we get a great one, with unbelievable athleticism and potential, and a quick, silky smooth stroke and people still aren't happy!
He still needs to improve his defense and playmaking for others but if you told me he would be a 20 point scorer in his 3rd year I would of called you crazy. Some thought lavine would just be breaking the rotation in year 3
TheFuture wrote:With the way Zach's shooting stats are trending then there is not a single player drafted after him that I would rather have. In fact, Zach may turn out to be one of the steals of that draft, if he isnt already regarded as one.
If you did a re-draft in 2014 lavine is a top 6 pick with wiggins, parker, embiid,randle, jokic. I think the wolves did pretty damn well.
In 2013 Gorgui would be drafted a good 12 spots higher. Bazz would be in a similar spots (just hurts with the Greek freak and Gobert were both there)
Towns still obviously the #1 pick.
This year Dunn still gets drafted at 5 if not higher. Wolves have done a good job at not blowing picks lately just at some spots like the 2013 draft maybe not get getting the best value
I'm surprised a few posters here are still down on LaVine. Sure, he's not perfect yet at his young age of 21, but god damn, how many years were we longing for a good three point shooting wing who could get hot and score in bunches. Finally it seems we get a great one, with unbelievable athleticism and potential, and a quick, silky smooth stroke and people still aren't happy!
He still needs to improve his defense and playmaking for others but if you told me he would be a 20 point scorer in his 3rd year I would of called you crazy. Some thought lavine would just be breaking the rotation in year 3
I always found/find it annoying all the people that talk about how Lavine is this athlete and now he has become a good shooter. The reality is that Lavine's game all along was about his jump shot even in college. I'm not suggesting he has always been a good shooter but that's much much more of his game than the attacking player people keep saying he was.
kekgeek1 wrote:
This year Dunn still gets drafted at 5 if not higher. Wolves have done a good job at not blowing picks lately just at some spots like the 2013 draft maybe not get getting the best value
I don't think he would go in the top 8.
Here is the current rookie ladder and he is not mentioned and Simmons has not played a minute.
I always found/find it annoying all the people that talk about how Lavine is this athlete and now he has become a good shooter. The reality is that Lavine's game all along was about his jump shot even in college. I'm not suggesting he has always been a good shooter but that's much much more of his game than the attacking player people keep saying he was.
Damn right monster. Lavine's strength on offense has always been his jumper. I remember i projected him to be a much better jr smith back when we drafted him. Athletic shooter.
kekgeek1 wrote:
This year Dunn still gets drafted at 5 if not higher. Wolves have done a good job at not blowing picks lately just at some spots like the 2013 draft maybe not get getting the best value
I don't think he would go in the top 8.
Here is the current rookie ladder and he is not mentioned and Simmons has not played a minute.
That is if you want to compare the 3 options that we had during the draft in Murry (who I liked), Dunn and Hield, all the numbers offensively are near identical besides points per game but Murry and Hield take a lot more shots than Dunn with similar efficincy as Dunn but all of the defensive stats go to Dunn.
I was not the biggest Dunn fan coming out of college but at worst he is going to be an pretty damn good defender and that is something the other two I believe will continue to struggle with. With the roster that the wolves have constructed we really don't need another elite offensive player we need a average offensive player and I believe Dunn will get there
kekgeek1 wrote:
This year Dunn still gets drafted at 5 if not higher. Wolves have done a good job at not blowing picks lately just at some spots like the 2013 draft maybe not get getting the best value
I don't think he would go in the top 8.
Here is the current rookie ladder and he is not mentioned and Simmons has not played a minute.
That is if you want to compare the 3 options that we had during the draft in Murry (who I liked), Dunn and Hield, all the numbers offensively are near identical besides points per game but Murry and Hield take a lot more shots than Dunn with similar efficincy as Dunn but all of the defensive stats go to Dunn.
I was not the biggest Dunn fan coming out of college but at worst he is going to be an pretty damn good defender and that is something the other two I believe will continue to struggle with. With the roster that the wolves have constructed we really don't need another elite offensive player we need a average offensive player and I believe Dunn will get there
Boy, none of these guys have distinguished themselves. I agree that at least with Dunn, you know he's damn good at one end of the court. That's a pretty big deal. His offense doesn't need to be great, but it definitely needs to get better. Right now he's in the "abysmal" category.
Left out Marquese Chriss. Dunn and Hield are supposed to be more of the baked goods type. Dunn is just not ready and I see Tyus as a better prospect as a PG and he is younger by at least 2 years. Murray had youth on his side.
Interestingly. Embiid is only 2 days older than Dunn. Saric is actually younger. If you draft an upper classman in the top 5 they need to hit the ground running or the future starts to look bleak for them. I am just being a realist.
bleedspeed177 wrote:Left out Marquese Chriss. Dunn and Hield are supposed to be more of the baked goods type. Dunn is just not ready and I see Tyus as a better prospect as a PG and he is younger by at least 2 years. Murray had youth on his side.
Interestingly. Embiid is only 2 days older than Dunn. Saric is actually younger. If you draft an upper classman in the top 5 they need to hit the ground running or the future starts to look bleak for them. I am just being a realist.
In limited action Tyus has been pretty impressive. How many offenensoce fouls has he drawn this year? It has to be an impressive number maybe even regardless of his minutes. I honestly think from what we have seen he does have a legit chance to be a starter like you said in another thread. Has he been a better PG this year? Absolutely at least offensively and I don't think his defense has been terrible.
As for Dunn...Being a realist is fine but so also think being more patient is worthwhile also. People to some extent should expect a top 5 pick to have impact right away but that doesn't always happen. Sometimes those guys don't turn out to be stars either but they turn out to be pretty good starting level players. Again I can live with that espcially based on the other talents on the roster.
What intruiges me about Dunn aside from his defense is some of the other stuff he may bring. The guy looks like a guy that's not going to back down from anyone if someone messes with him he it ready to go. He seems to calm down quickly enough though so he isn't crazy but he has a nice amount of fireyness and physically he has enough to dish it out some and I think he will get even stronger physically. To me he just looks like a guy that will be a terrific teammate. His game isn't there yet but you can tell by watching him both college and in his short NBA career is that he is unselfish. He wants to do the right thing. We talk about potential all the time but there isn't a sure formula for how much guys will get better. It absolutely makes sense to give the benefit of the doubt to a much younger player that seems talented/already productive but we have seen plenty of recent older players who have blown away the expectations for their games because they just kept getting better. We have also seen Lavine as a young raw player WAAAAYYYY ahead of schedule at this point. There are also plenty of guys that came into the league (or top rated HS players to college) that just never really got much better. We aren't in practice. We don't know all of what the coaching staff is asking Dunn to do. We don't know what their development plan is (and you can be sure they have one). It's probably easier for me to have lower expectations for him because I didn't see the offensive upside from the beginning but that doesn't mean it won't end up being a solid pick. I'm willing to give it some time espcially given that nobody else at the top of the draft class has done all that well. Who would have guessed a guy like Murray would struggle to score? Dunn has really struggled I he has been disappointing no doubt. Buddy has a good opportunity but he hasn't done that great either. Jaylen Brown when I have seen him play actually looks kinda good (meaning promising) all things considered. He isn't really that good at anything but he doesn't look clueless and has a nice amount of skill and physically he looks pretty good. Let's see how it pans out.
