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Q12543 wrote:Remember the much-maligned defense we had a few years ago when we won 40 games? Oh, those were the good ole' days:

This year's starting 5 defensive rating - 112.6

Pekovic-Love-Brewer-Martin-Rubio - 103.2

OMG, the short-armed ground bound duo of Love+Pek and the matador known as Martin managed to be nearly 10 points better!


Well a team with a healthy Pek and Rubio isn't the worst place to start defensively. With Pek and Love ending possessions if a team missed and they didn't foul...it wasn't too bad. Adelman tended to have solid defensive teams as a coach partly because he was good as an offensive coach so it helped the other end.
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Q12543 wrote:Remember the much-maligned defense we had a few years ago when we won 40 games? Oh, those were the good ole' days:

This year's starting 5 defensive rating - 112.6

Pekovic-Love-Brewer-Martin-Rubio - 103.2

OMG, the short-armed ground bound duo of Love+Pek and the matador known as Martin managed to be nearly 10 points better!


I'm not arguing that the unit you listed was good defensively, but they were smart in their approach -- not fouling, cleaning the defensive glass, running an efficient offense leading to less transition opportunities for opponents. That squad's problem was bench play, if I remember correctly. Nonetheless, I wish this current group of players had an approach that they stayed consistent with. We'll see a couple game minutes of lock-down team defense, and then give up a 10-0 run -- or worse -- out of no where. For me, the reason that happens is because of our youth and lack of legitimate veteran play.

Also, everyone knows I'm not high on Cole Aldrich, but I'd at least give it a thought about throwing him in the starting lineup. Perhaps his defensive focus -- although not always affective -- would be good for the rest of that unit. And on the other unit, Dieng could get more opportunities on offense. It's the role that I continue to believe will be best for him if this team is going to try to contend for anything worthwhile. I think this could especially help in early fourth quarters when our reserves are in the game. We'd have Dunn, LaVine, Muhammad (or Rush?), Bjelica, and Dieng on the floor more than likely. That's a good blend, in my opinion, and could be the bridge for our starters to hopefully come in and either slam the door or pull ahead.

That's the one starting lineup switch I'd be interested in. I have no desire to yank LaVine around. Most of this board knows that already, but I'm reiterating that stance.

Also, this is just a side thought, but I'd coach Towns to stop popping out after setting a screen. No more of that. We know he loves to hang around the perimeter and jack up shots, but that's not utilizing his gifts to their fullest. I think it lets the defense off the hook. Nikola Pekovic was so damn effective by setting solid screens and then rolling to the front of the hoop. Granted, Towns doesn't have Pekovic's build and strength, but he's longer, a lot more skilled, and is much better finisher. I think everyone is aware that Towns can make perimeter jumpers, but he needs to live in the paint. He's our best points in the paint threat. He also can't draw fouls if he's 24 feet away from where contact is likely. That's where he's going to be a monster. It's funny, but that's also how you get the most out of Ricky Rubio. He sure as shit can't score out of the P&R, but somehow, some way, he just finds an angle to lead the rolling big into an advantageous spot to score. We need more of that and less of Towns camping out behind the three-point line. Let's get back to simple and sound fundamental basketball.
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Cam I'm with you on Towns rolling to the basket more but I also think he just hasn't been wanting in the screen game in a few ways. First of all I see plays where he doesn't even set a good screen to begin with. Then sometimes he slips (or doesn't do anything) into a nebulous spot where he doesn't give a target to be passed to and certainly doesn't put himself in a position to score. He isn't as bad as Derrick williams first couple years in the screen game but it's been disappointing espcially when you see Dieng start working with anyone especially Lavine. I really think I'm starting to think Towns has psyched himself up so much and worked on everything he gets overwhelmed and does know what to do on both ends of the court. He has to dial it back a little.

I miss seeing Pek do his thing. He really was a master of doing what he could do with his timing knowing how to play staying within his abilities and having the ability to finish around the basket. If Towns can get a lot of that timing and ability to do things off screens which I think he will it's gonna be fun to watch. It's hard sometimes to remember that he just turned 21 and has played a little over 100 NBA games.
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- Klay Thompson / 3rd season / Per 36:

18.7 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 2.3 APG, 0.9 SPG, 1.7 TOV, 14.3 PER, .555 TS%, 22.6 USG%, .112 WS/48

- Zach LaVine / 3rd season / Per 36:

19.6 PPG, 2.9 RPG, 2.8 APG, 0.8 SPG, 1.7 TOV, 16.5 PER, .585 TS%, 22.5 USG%, .102 WS/48


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Camden wrote:- Klay Thompson / 3rd season / Per 36:

18.7 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 2.3 APG, 0.9 SPG, 1.7 TOV, 14.3 PER, .555 TS%, 22.6 USG%, .112 WS/48

- Zach LaVine / 3rd season / Per 36:

19.6 PPG, 2.9 RPG, 2.8 APG, 0.8 SPG, 1.7 TOV, 16.5 PER, .585 TS%, 22.5 USG%, .102 WS/48


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Good post, Cam. Thanks.
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Camden wrote:- Klay Thompson / 3rd season / Per 36:

18.7 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 2.3 APG, 0.9 SPG, 1.7 TOV, 14.3 PER, .555 TS%, 22.6 USG%, .112 WS/48

- Zach LaVine / 3rd season / Per 36:

19.6 PPG, 2.9 RPG, 2.8 APG, 0.8 SPG, 1.7 TOV, 16.5 PER, .585 TS%, 22.5 USG%, .102 WS/48


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Nice! At least one of the kids is improving!
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Camden wrote:- Klay Thompson / 3rd season / Per 36:

18.7 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 2.3 APG, 0.9 SPG, 1.7 TOV, 14.3 PER, .555 TS%, 22.6 USG%, .112 WS/48

- Zach LaVine / 3rd season / Per 36:

19.6 PPG, 2.9 RPG, 2.8 APG, 0.8 SPG, 1.7 TOV, 16.5 PER, .585 TS%, 22.5 USG%, .102 WS/48


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And Klay Thompson was two years older than Zach in his third season.
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Mikkeman wrote:
Camden wrote:- Klay Thompson / 3rd season / Per 36:

18.7 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 2.3 APG, 0.9 SPG, 1.7 TOV, 14.3 PER, .555 TS%, 22.6 USG%, .112 WS/48

- Zach LaVine / 3rd season / Per 36:

19.6 PPG, 2.9 RPG, 2.8 APG, 0.8 SPG, 1.7 TOV, 16.5 PER, .585 TS%, 22.5 USG%, .102 WS/48


This is alright with me...


And Klay Thompson was two years older than Zach in his third season.



Next step: Klay Thompson-level defense.
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Mikkeman wrote:
Camden wrote:- Klay Thompson / 3rd season / Per 36:

18.7 PPG, 3.1 RPG, 2.3 APG, 0.9 SPG, 1.7 TOV, 14.3 PER, .555 TS%, 22.6 USG%, .112 WS/48

- Zach LaVine / 3rd season / Per 36:

19.6 PPG, 2.9 RPG, 2.8 APG, 0.8 SPG, 1.7 TOV, 16.5 PER, .585 TS%, 22.5 USG%, .102 WS/48


This is alright with me...


And Klay Thompson was two years older than Zach in his third season.



Next step: Klay Thompson-level defense.


Yep. That's really the only thing separating the two, but I gotta tell you, I think LaVine's getting there. He's cleaned up a lot of his technique this season and while he's had some blunders defensively, he's also had some terrific moments. I also think he's noticeably bigger/stronger this season without losing anything laterally. Looking back at LaVine his first year compared to this year, it makes you appreciate all the work he's put in. Two very different players.
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The thing he has going for him offensively vs. Klay is his speed, quickness, and verticality. He might eventually come close to matching Klay's outside shooting prowess. Now add onto that elite change of pace moves, cross overs, and speed in transition. Great stuff, however.....

I sometimes think elite athleticism hurts as much as helps these guys. Look at how damn good Klay is at moving without the ball. He took 11 dribbles en route to 60 points. That is probably one of the most impressive things about him. Not only is he an elite shooter (something I think LaVine is quickly becoming), but he is elite at moving without the ball. That is a skill unto itself. JJ Redick is another master. So is Steph Curry. When you don't have elite speed or verticality, you end up learning how to use off-ball screens more effectively and make timely cuts. LaVine and Wiggins are still miles away from being more efficient in this regard and I think a lot of it has to do with the fact they could always just out jump people.
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