Hill to Kings
Hill to Kings
Same contract we gave to Teague
Re: Hill to Kings
Well Hill got paid after all. Good mentor for that team and...
They got Zach Randolph too 2 year 24 million. The Kings won't be a cupcake this year.
They got Zach Randolph too 2 year 24 million. The Kings won't be a cupcake this year.
Re: Hill to Kings
Thibs and Layden aren't coming off too well right now. George Hill is clearly better than Teague both defensively and behind the arc. The Kings signed him to the same $57 million we gave to Teague, but it's more team friendly because Hill's 3rd season is only partially guaranteed. In contrast, Teague has the option on a fully guaranteed 3rd season. And I'd rather have Zach Randolph at $12 million per year than Taj at $14 million because we'd have $5 million rather than $3 million in remaining cap space.
I have to believe that Thibs and Layden value Hill more than Teague. If I'm right, then they pulled the trigger too quickly on Teague. Another concern I have about Teague is the partially torn patella tendon he had a year ago. But mainly, I'm concerned about his defense.
I have to believe that Thibs and Layden value Hill more than Teague. If I'm right, then they pulled the trigger too quickly on Teague. Another concern I have about Teague is the partially torn patella tendon he had a year ago. But mainly, I'm concerned about his defense.
Re: Hill to Kings
Copycats. Looks like both of our signings dictated the market for theirs.
And now that Boston trade looks even better. Lakers are destined to be bottom 5 in the NBA. It still needs to fall into 2-5, but large chance to do so.
And now that Boston trade looks even better. Lakers are destined to be bottom 5 in the NBA. It still needs to fall into 2-5, but large chance to do so.
Re: Hill to Kings
Here's an analysis of Teague from ESPN. I'm posting it here because it provides some interesting observations as well as some comparison to George Hill:
Analysis
For many in Indiana, the trade of George Hill for Teague was a no-brainer. A younger guard who was an All-Star in 2015 for a player with a career average of 11.3 points per game? Easy money. But Teague's fit in Indiana might not be as seamless as it would appear. For starters, Hill was an elite defender, able to take the opposition's best threat at either guard position. Neither Teague nor Monta Ellis is a plus option in that role; Teague certainly won't be shutting down the likes of Kyle Lowry in the playoffs as Hill did.
Teague has provided more as an on-ball playmaker in his career than Hill, but his fit with Paul George and, in particular, Ellis could be a concern, because both also like the ball in their hands. Teague did drain a career-high 40.0 percent from downtown in 2015-16, including a scalding 49.6 percent on his limited catch-and-shoot 3s. Those numbers are a massive improvement from his previous norms though, so a regression could be coming even if Teague's increased willingness to take 3s was a positive sign.
Despite the improved jump-shooting, Teague played much worse than he did in his banner 2014-15 campaign, perhaps in part because of a partially torn patellar tendon he revealed on his Instagram page in June. Teague's ability to finish inside was the main culprit. He looked notably less spry, dropping from 20 dunks to four, shooting worse at the rim and on floaters and getting to the foul line less. Prospects for a return to the heights of 2014-15 are mixed; he'll be over the injury but also entering his late 20s as a short point guard. He ranked only 28th among point guards in ESPN's Real Plus-Minus, a fall from 16th the year before.
At his best, Teague is a waterbug point guard who likes to drive off the pick-and-roll and finish with touch around the rim. He could benefit from shooting more shots with his left when he drives that way, as he often brings it right back to the defense to finish. Though not a pure point guard at heart, Teague refined his playmaking ability under Mike Budenholzer in Atlanta.
In the playoffs, opponents such as Cleveland have had success either going under on Teague's pick-and-rolls or switching them. Either tactic is designed to expose his jump shot, and he has been unable to make teams pay in the playoff crucible. On defense, Teague is about average for a point guard. He has quick feet and can get around screens, but lacks the size to challenge shooters from behind if he gets picked off. He was also protected by the Hawks' defensive scheme, which trapped pick-and-roll ball handlers so he didn't have to get over as many screens.
Analysis
For many in Indiana, the trade of George Hill for Teague was a no-brainer. A younger guard who was an All-Star in 2015 for a player with a career average of 11.3 points per game? Easy money. But Teague's fit in Indiana might not be as seamless as it would appear. For starters, Hill was an elite defender, able to take the opposition's best threat at either guard position. Neither Teague nor Monta Ellis is a plus option in that role; Teague certainly won't be shutting down the likes of Kyle Lowry in the playoffs as Hill did.
Teague has provided more as an on-ball playmaker in his career than Hill, but his fit with Paul George and, in particular, Ellis could be a concern, because both also like the ball in their hands. Teague did drain a career-high 40.0 percent from downtown in 2015-16, including a scalding 49.6 percent on his limited catch-and-shoot 3s. Those numbers are a massive improvement from his previous norms though, so a regression could be coming even if Teague's increased willingness to take 3s was a positive sign.
Despite the improved jump-shooting, Teague played much worse than he did in his banner 2014-15 campaign, perhaps in part because of a partially torn patellar tendon he revealed on his Instagram page in June. Teague's ability to finish inside was the main culprit. He looked notably less spry, dropping from 20 dunks to four, shooting worse at the rim and on floaters and getting to the foul line less. Prospects for a return to the heights of 2014-15 are mixed; he'll be over the injury but also entering his late 20s as a short point guard. He ranked only 28th among point guards in ESPN's Real Plus-Minus, a fall from 16th the year before.
At his best, Teague is a waterbug point guard who likes to drive off the pick-and-roll and finish with touch around the rim. He could benefit from shooting more shots with his left when he drives that way, as he often brings it right back to the defense to finish. Though not a pure point guard at heart, Teague refined his playmaking ability under Mike Budenholzer in Atlanta.
In the playoffs, opponents such as Cleveland have had success either going under on Teague's pick-and-rolls or switching them. Either tactic is designed to expose his jump shot, and he has been unable to make teams pay in the playoff crucible. On defense, Teague is about average for a point guard. He has quick feet and can get around screens, but lacks the size to challenge shooters from behind if he gets picked off. He was also protected by the Hawks' defensive scheme, which trapped pick-and-roll ball handlers so he didn't have to get over as many screens.
Re: Hill to Kings
lipoli390 wrote:Thibs and Layden aren't coming off too well right now. George Hill is clearly better than Teague both defensively and behind the arc. The Kings signed him to the same $57 million we gave to Teague, but it's more team friendly because Hill's 3rd season is only partially guaranteed. In contrast, Teague has the option on a fully guaranteed 3rd season. And I'd rather have Zach Randolph at $12 million per year than Taj at $14 million because we'd have $5 million rather than $3 million in remaining cap space.
I have to believe that Thibs and Layden value Hill more than Teague. If I'm right, then they pulled the trigger too quickly on Teague. Another concern I have about Teague is the partially torn patella tendon he had a year ago. But mainly, I'm concerned about his defense.
I would have preferred Randolph over Taj 1000%, especially at 2 mil cheaper leaving us with 6.3 mil to spend.
As for Hill, the guy has injury concerns big time. I prefer Teague for that reason as we have zero depth. Also, don't forget that there was a report about Hill not wanting anything to do with playing under Thibs.
Re: Hill to Kings
GRRRREAT. The year we anti up is the year the West gets even MORE stacked. I sure hope we didn't mortgage too much future with trading Lavine, Dunn and Rubio while cutting Bazz. That's a lot of youth. All the more reason to make sure we get some talented YOUTH on the bench.
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Re: Hill to Kings
lipoli390 wrote:Thibs and Layden aren't coming off too well right now. George Hill is clearly better than Teague both defensively and behind the arc. The Kings signed him to the same $57 million we gave to Teague, but it's more team friendly because Hill's 3rd season is only partially guaranteed. In contrast, Teague has the option on a fully guaranteed 3rd season. And I'd rather have Zach Randolph at $12 million per year than Taj at $14 million because we'd have $5 million rather than $3 million in remaining cap space.
I have to believe that Thibs and Layden value Hill more than Teague. If I'm right, then they pulled the trigger too quickly on Teague. Another concern I have about Teague is the partially torn patella tendon he had a year ago. But mainly, I'm concerned about his defense.
They clearly went out and got the guy they wanted. If they valued these other guys more they would have signed them. Teague fits much better in the Thibs mold of PG than Hill. Hill is really a 3&D wing in PG's body.
Re: Hill to Kings
TheFuture wrote:lipoli390 wrote:Thibs and Layden aren't coming off too well right now. George Hill is clearly better than Teague both defensively and behind the arc. The Kings signed him to the same $57 million we gave to Teague, but it's more team friendly because Hill's 3rd season is only partially guaranteed. In contrast, Teague has the option on a fully guaranteed 3rd season. And I'd rather have Zach Randolph at $12 million per year than Taj at $14 million because we'd have $5 million rather than $3 million in remaining cap space.
I have to believe that Thibs and Layden value Hill more than Teague. If I'm right, then they pulled the trigger too quickly on Teague. Another concern I have about Teague is the partially torn patella tendon he had a year ago. But mainly, I'm concerned about his defense.
I would have preferred Randolph over Taj 1000%, especially at 2 mil cheaper leaving us with 6.3 mil to spend.
As for Hill, the guy has injury concerns big time. I prefer Teague for that reason as we have zero depth. Also, don't forget that there was a report about Hill not wanting anything to do with playing under Thibs.
I wasn't aware of the report that Hill wouldn't want to play under Thibs. Can't say I'm surprised thought. :). That helps explain what happened. I could see where the the Wolves may have made in inquiry with Hill's agent and learned that he wouldn't sign with the Wolves regardless of the contract offer.
Re: Hill to Kings
khans2k5 wrote:lipoli390 wrote:Thibs and Layden aren't coming off too well right now. George Hill is clearly better than Teague both defensively and behind the arc. The Kings signed him to the same $57 million we gave to Teague, but it's more team friendly because Hill's 3rd season is only partially guaranteed. In contrast, Teague has the option on a fully guaranteed 3rd season. And I'd rather have Zach Randolph at $12 million per year than Taj at $14 million because we'd have $5 million rather than $3 million in remaining cap space.
I have to believe that Thibs and Layden value Hill more than Teague. If I'm right, then they pulled the trigger too quickly on Teague. Another concern I have about Teague is the partially torn patella tendon he had a year ago. But mainly, I'm concerned about his defense.
They clearly went out and got the guy they wanted. If they valued these other guys more they would have signed them. Teague fits much better in the Thibs mold of PG than Hill. Hill is really a 3&D wing in PG's body.
Teague is more of a playmaker than Hill, so I can see that as a reason for preferring Teague over Hill. You're probably right that Thibs went after the guy he wanted and had already crossed Hill off his list. Maybe it was because Hill didn't want to play for Thibs as Future suggested based on a report he saw. Or maybe it was Thibs preference for more of a playmaker at the point. But given our need for better defense and 3-point shooting, I would have preferred Hill.