Jamal Crawford

[TheFuture]

Thibs wins per year in order: 62 (ECF), 50 (1st round exit), 45 (2nd round exit), 48 (1st round exit), 50 (2nd round exit). He did not improve that team, at all. He was gifted a prime Noah, Taj, Deng, D-Rose (prime was before injury), Korver, Brewer, Boozer, and a young Butler. That team carried him. He didn't create a damn thing. Too much praise for this man's "vision".

Couldn't you say the same thing. Wiggins, Towns, Ricky, Lavine, Gorgui, Dunn, shabazz team carried thibs to 31 wins.

If you don't give credit to him when he succeeded you can't rip him when his teams do bad. So in the end coaching dosen't matter and it is all about the players is what you are saying (I am a big believer in this for the most part)

He took a year improved, mostly the same, roster to what 4 more wins than the overly hated Sam Mitchell? In a surprising down year in the West? He did not improve us at all. In fact, he likely cost us from climbing closer to 40 wins by his stubbornness to start the season, regarding Rubio.

So you made my point the exact same team with the addition of a rookie and lower end free agents did the same thing with a different coach.

So is it the players fault or the coaches fault

Coaches fault. He brought a new system, new expectations from them. New stubbornness, new plan to make HIS imprint known. The third system in as many years.

[TheFuture]

Jon K just on the radio. He said the Wolves are really hurting for lack of 3-point shooting. He said the failure to add any three-point shooting to day gives the Pacers a lot of leverage in holding out for our OKC pick to get Miles. He gently questioned using the room exception to sign a guy with a career 35% 3-point average. The more I reflect on this latest signing, the more I wonder about Thibs as PBO. I like Crawford, but he just doesn't give us what we really need and there are certainly better options out there for our RE.

Exactly my feelings. If we want Miles still (we should/do) then that 1st rounder is a given now. The pacers, and every other NBA team, know we dont have any other course of action to add talent. Not only was it another bad move, but it wasn't even for the correct type of player.

[kekgeek]

Thibs wins per year in order: 62 (ECF), 50 (1st round exit), 45 (2nd round exit), 48 (1st round exit), 50 (2nd round exit). He did not improve that team, at all. He was gifted a prime Noah, Taj, Deng, D-Rose (prime was before injury), Korver, Brewer, Boozer, and a young Butler. That team carried him. He didn't create a damn thing. Too much praise for this man's "vision".

Couldn't you say the same thing. Wiggins, Towns, Ricky, Lavine, Gorgui, Dunn, shabazz team carried thibs to 31 wins.

If you don't give credit to him when he succeeded you can't rip him when his teams do bad. So in the end coaching dosen't matter and it is all about the players is what you are saying (I am a big believer in this for the most part)

He took a year improved, mostly the same, roster to what 4 more wins than the overly hated Sam Mitchell? In a surprising down year in the West? He did not improve us at all. In fact, he likely cost us from climbing closer to 40 wins by his stubbornness to start the season, regarding Rubio.

So you made my point the exact same team with the addition of a rookie and lower end free agents did the same thing with a different coach.

So is it the players fault or the coaches fault

Coaches fault. He brought a new system, new expectations from them. New stubbornness, new plan to make HIS imprint known. The third system in as many years.

Didn't affect the Bulls when Thibs was brought in.

We act like Thibs had this vet team in his prime with the Bulls.

Taj (2nd year)
Rose (3rd year)
Noah (4th year)
Deng (7th year)
Butler (not in the league)

[60WinTim]

This from Zgoda (although we all knew what Thibs was saying when he said 4 more players with 10 players under contract -- the 15 spot would remain available):

Jerry Zgoda?Verified account @JerryZgoda 17m17 minutes ago
Thibs clarifies w/ my guy @SidHartman this a.m.: plans to add 3 more players -- 2 wings, 1 pg probably -- & will keep 15th open & flexible

[TheFuture]

Just slightly different circumstances. An MVP his first year there. A prime Noah, Gibson, Deng, etc. etc. Quite a bit different than what we had here, and the record reflected that. Oh, this was also in the East. Not to mention, that Chicago team was mostly gutted and Fred Hoiberg (many claim he is a terrible coach) still got them to 40 and 42 wins.

Further, his defensive reputation is built on the back of players who were already great defensive players. Both in Chicago and in Boston.

[TheFuture]

Thibs wins per year in order: 62 (ECF), 50 (1st round exit), 45 (2nd round exit), 48 (1st round exit), 50 (2nd round exit). He did not improve that team, at all. He was gifted a prime Noah, Taj, Deng, D-Rose (prime was before injury), Korver, Brewer, Boozer, and a young Butler. That team carried him. He didn't create a damn thing. Too much praise for this man's "vision".

Couldn't you say the same thing. Wiggins, Towns, Ricky, Lavine, Gorgui, Dunn, shabazz team carried thibs to 31 wins.

If you don't give credit to him when he succeeded you can't rip him when his teams do bad. So in the end coaching dosen't matter and it is all about the players is what you are saying (I am a big believer in this for the most part)

He took a year improved, mostly the same, roster to what 4 more wins than the overly hated Sam Mitchell? In a surprising down year in the West? He did not improve us at all. In fact, he likely cost us from climbing closer to 40 wins by his stubbornness to start the season, regarding Rubio.

So you made my point the exact same team with the addition of a rookie and lower end free agents did the same thing with a different coach.

So is it the players fault or the coaches fault

Coaches fault. He brought a new system, new expectations from them. New stubbornness, new plan to make HIS imprint known. The third system in as many years.

Didn't affect the Bulls when Thibs was brought in.

We act like Thibs had this vet team in his prime with the Bulls.

Taj (2nd year)
Rose (3rd year)
Noah (4th year)
Deng (7th year)
Butler (not in the league)

How about Kyle Korver, Carlos Boozer, Ronnie Brewer, Rasual Butler, Kurt Thomas, etc.
The team he walked into was definitely loaded with talent and extremely deep. They never got better under him.

[Crazysauce]

Why are we screwing around with miles. Just fo out and grab jimmer on the cheap. Then you have your 3 point shooter.

[TheFuture]

Why are we screwing around with miles. Just fo out and grab jimmer on the cheap. Then you have your 3 point shooter.

Because we need an actual NBA player to slot in at the 2/3 spots. Jimmer would be fine as a 12-15 spot guy, not a 6-8 guy.

[kekgeek]

Just slightly different circumstances. An MVP his first year there. A prime Noah, Gibson, Deng, etc. etc. Quite a bit different than what we had here, and the record reflected that. Oh, this was also in the East. Not to mention, that Chicago team was mostly gutted and Fred Hoiberg (many claim he is a terrible coach) still got them to 40 and 42 wins.

Further, his defensive reputation is built on the back of players who were already great defensive players. Both in Chicago and in Boston.

When Thibs got there

2nd year player: Towns and Taj
3rd year players: Wiggins, lavine and rose
4th year players: noah and Gorgui
Ricky was a 6th year player and Deng was a 7th year player.


So thibs inherited a veteran wolves group on their primes right.

Oh wait no! The wolves were young, the Bulls were young. Bulls young players became better than the Wolves players.

It is easy to blame the coach because we can just get a new one. It is scary to blame out young players because it means another rebuild is on its way.

[TheFuture]

Just slightly different circumstances. An MVP his first year there. A prime Noah, Gibson, Deng, etc. etc. Quite a bit different than what we had here, and the record reflected that. Oh, this was also in the East. Not to mention, that Chicago team was mostly gutted and Fred Hoiberg (many claim he is a terrible coach) still got them to 40 and 42 wins.

Further, his defensive reputation is built on the back of players who were already great defensive players. Both in Chicago and in Boston.

When Thibs got there

2nd year player: Towns and Taj
3rd year players: Wiggins, lavine and rose
4th year players: noah and Gorgui
Ricky was a 6th year player and Deng was a 7th year player.


So thibs inherited a veteran wolves group on their primes right.

Oh wait no! The wolves were young, the Bulls were young. Bulls young players became better than the Wolves players.

It is easy to blame the coach because we can just get a new one. It is scary to blame out young players because it means another rebuild is on its way.

He had an MVP and a DPOY candidate right when he walked into Chicago. The roster differences are very far apart just right there. I won't go into the depth they had, as I've done that in another post. Also remember to consider East and West.