Q12543 wrote:Sounds good in theory, but all of our prior first year Euro signings have been disasters as rookies (Pek, Shved, Bjelly).
But Pek and Belly eventually panned out except for Pek's injury. Teodosic is already 30 year old. I don't know if that counts for or against him as a potential NBA player. He's highly skilled. He's definitely a shooter - averaging between 38% and 40% from behind the arc over his career. He's a gifted Rubio-like passer. Interesting that he hasn't tried to come to the NBA before.
I don't know. If my choice is Teodosic or Afflalo, I'd probably opt for. Afflalo as a known NBA-caliber wing/3-point shooter. He's more of a sure thing. I see Teodosic as a higher risk but higher reward guy. I'd love to know what Thibs thinks. I trust Thibs not to be taken in by flash or hope, so if he's interested in Teodosic, then I'm interested too.
Mmmmm, doesn't play defense and throws the ball away a bunch. Doesn't exactly sound like a Thibs kind of player. He isn't going to change the stripes of a 30+ year old Euro dude....hell of a passer and good shooter, but we need to spend what little cap room remains on a wing that has actually played in the NBA.
It depends on the price for me how excited I would be. I think it's still a bit of a long shot. The guy could help with the 3 ball though. The last 3 years in the euroleague he averaged almost nine 3's taken per game. 9!!!!!!!!! Obviously that's not going to completely translate to the NBA but that's some serious volume even if the rate he takes them drops a decent amount.
Q12543 wrote:Sounds good in theory, but all of our prior first year Euro signings have been disasters as rookies (Pek, Shved, Bjelly).
But Pek and Belly eventually panned out except for Pek's injury. Teodosic is already 30 year old. I don't know if that counts for or against him as a potential NBA player. He's highly skilled. He's definitely a shooter - averaging between 38% and 40% from behind the arc over his career. He's a gifted Rubio-like passer. Interesting that he hasn't tried to come to the NBA before.
I don't know. If my choice is Teodosic or Afflalo, I'd probably opt for. Afflalo as a known NBA-caliber wing/3-point shooter. He's more of a sure thing. I see Teodosic as a higher risk but higher reward guy. I'd love to know what Thibs thinks. I trust Thibs not to be taken in by flash or hope, so if he's interested in Teodosic, then I'm interested too.
Mmmmm, doesn't play defense and throws the ball away a bunch. Doesn't exactly sound like a Thibs kind of player. He isn't going to change the stripes of a 30+ year old Euro dude....hell of a passer and good shooter, but we need to spend what little cap room remains on a wing that has actually played in the NBA.
I hear you, Q. But if the reports are true, Thibs must be interested or we wouldn't be talking to him about possibly signing with the Wolves. Thibs is an interesting guy. He's widely regarded as a defensive-minded coach and I think that's an accurate characterization. But then he gives up $5 million in cap space, 2 years in age and continuity to replace Ricky with a PG who's a step up as a shooter but a step down defensively. Now he's apparently interested in signing Teodosic. I guess Thibs has a plan about how all the pieces will fit together. But then again, I'm not sure.
I would think we would have to pony up more than that room exception. Maybe the Wolves will give him the combination of length of contract either long or short that makes him willing to take less than he was looking for. The is 30 so he probably doesn't want to just play on team that's quite a ways away. The Kings spent plenty (I think it was 9 per) to get their Bogdanovic to come over. This is the type of creativity I was hoping they would explore.
Also his defense...isn't considered a strength to put it nicely. You aren't going to get an offensive player with his possible skills that is a good or even average defender at this point so you probably just live with what he brings and doesn't bring.
Monster -- I'm not sure about this, but I don't think we can offer more than a 3-year deal using the room exception. However, I'm still operating under the assumption that we have about $4.5 million in cap space if we renounce the rest of our vet cap holds. Then I would think we could offer 4 years. I agree that at age 30 he probably wants to go to a contender and I think the Wolves can honestly make the case now that we are. I would also think that he won't want to come here on a short-term deal and bounce around for the next few years. So the stability of a 4-year deal should be attractive to him. Finally, having his good friend and fellow-Serbian on the team should interest him as well.
So how about the following?
1. Sign Teodosic to a 4-yr./$4.5 million per year deal using the rest of our cap space;
2. Sign Afflalo or Thabo to a 3-year deal using our full $4.2 million room exception; and
3. Sign Dunleavy, Casspi to vet minimum deals
4. Fill out the rest of the roster with minimum salary D-League players
I like your plan!
Good point about only being able to do a 2 year deal with the room. Like I laid out in another post somewhere I don't think we have anywhere near 4.5 million we could offer to a free agent. One thing to consider is if we did a 2 year deal to anyone we would have their early bird rights so if that guy worked out we could pay them a decent amount more although the details are a bit confusing.
Personally if we can somehow get Dunlevey and Casspi on vet min deals...that would be great. We would need a guy that can handle the ball and shoot even if that was a guy like Barbosa. I'd prefer someone more seasoned but Trey Burke still intrigues me as a scorer and a guy that probably can be good enough To provide depth at PG. He is young but he has played quite a bit. I'm not convinced Aaron Brooks is very good at all anymore but I wouldn't complain about him at the vet min.
I would be interested in Sergio Rodriguez but for the money I would want to pay him he probably can make more money playing in Europe...I wonder how badly Teodosic wants to play over here or is coming here he thought was going to be a nice way to get a payday...
I just looked up salries over there and it looks like they top out at around 3.5 million which is going to the highest paid player outside of the NBA...Alexey Shved who left the Knicks to sign that deal. So even if Teodosic was leaving for just say 2.5 million that's what he would have made in Europe and let's say he signs a 1 year deal and plays well. He could easily double that money a year later. So..maybe Sergio will stay around the NBA after all. If Teodosic doesn't have many suitors the room exception (if we don't have the cap space to offer) would be more money than he would have gotten and we could give him a player option for a 2nd year. Sounds good. I'll call his agent! Lol
Guys, I can't tell you how strongly I am AGAINST this rumor. Teodosic ranks in my top 3 of least favorite basketball players. A good shooter and creative passer? Sure. But he is a complete disaster as a teammate. Arrogant, an enormous ego, and a need to always prove the game is about him...that he is the best player on the court. Not to mention his athleticism is far below the NBA norm, and was so even when he was in his prime.
How do I know all this? After we announced that Belly was coming over, I watched his team a lot that summer in the tournament to see what we were getting. While watching Belly made me excited, I couldn't help noticing this flashy little guy who you just couldn't keep your eyes off of...he wouldn't let you. When he made a nice shot, he would primp and play to the crowd like a Euro soccer player after a goal. And after a bad pass (and there were many) he would angrily gesture to his teammate so the crowd would think the turnover wasn't his fault. His defense was horrendous, and he seemed completely aloof with his teammates. This guy is a disaster. We need to stay very far away.
longstrangetrip wrote:Guys, I can't tell you how strongly I am AGAINST this rumor. Teodosic ranks in my top 3 of least favorite basketball players. A good shooter and creative passer? Sure. But he is a complete disaster as a teammate. Arrogant, an enormous ego, and a need to always prove the game is about him...that he is the best player on the court. Not to mention his athleticism is far below the NBA norm, and was so even when he was in his prime.
How do I know all this? After we announced that Belly was coming over, I watched his team a lot that summer in the tournament to see what we were getting. While watching Belly made me excited, I couldn't help noticing this flashy little guy who you just couldn't keep your eyes off of...he wouldn't let you. When he made a nice shot, he would primp and play to the crowd like a Euro soccer player after a goal. And after a bad pass (and there were many) he would angrily gesture to his teammate so the crowd would think the turnover wasn't his fault. His defense was horrendous, and he seemed completely aloof with his teammates. This guy is a disaster. We need to stay very far away.
Interesting. That certainly cools my interest in him. But if you observed these things in the few games you watched, then I have to believe Thibs and Layden are aware of them. And they can get insights directly and confidentially from Belly who's played with him. So we'll just have to trust Thibs, right? :)
LST -- Another thought about your Teodosic observations. If he is as you described him, I can't see him signing with the Wolves where he would clearly be a bench player. Instead, I'd see him signing with the Knicks or Nets where he can play on the big stage and be the man. And I wonder why he didn't sign with the Bulls, who were reportedly interested in him. He would have been the starting PG there for a historic franchise in a big city. If he signs with us, that says something positive about him.
longstrangetrip wrote:Guys, I can't tell you how strongly I am AGAINST this rumor. Teodosic ranks in my top 3 of least favorite basketball players. A good shooter and creative passer? Sure. But he is a complete disaster as a teammate. Arrogant, an enormous ego, and a need to always prove the game is about him...that he is the best player on the court. Not to mention his athleticism is far below the NBA norm, and was so even when he was in his prime.
How do I know all this? After we announced that Belly was coming over, I watched his team a lot that summer in the tournament to see what we were getting. While watching Belly made me excited, I couldn't help noticing this flashy little guy who you just couldn't keep your eyes off of...he wouldn't let you. When he made a nice shot, he would primp and play to the crowd like a Euro soccer player after a goal. And after a bad pass (and there were many) he would angrily gesture to his teammate so the crowd would think the turnover wasn't his fault. His defense was horrendous, and he seemed completely aloof with his teammates. This guy is a disaster. We need to stay very far away.
Interesting. That certainly cools my intereste in him.
Lip, he reminded me of everything that used to bother me about JJ Berea. And I also got the feeling that he bugged the crap out of Belly, so I hope Thibs talks to Belly before making this guy an offer. I think there are others here who watched that Euro team that summer, so I'm interested in what they thought about him (even though most of us had our eyes on Belly).
Here's an article about Milos that sums up what people think of him...talented, but an enigma and a disaster in the clutch:
I`m from Israel so I`m very familer with the Europiam basketball (the best in my opinion).
Milos Teodosic is a big Winner!
He one of my favorite players in Europe for long time.
He is very smart player, controls games, made big time shots, genius passer, great ball handler, one of the baest Pick n' Roll player and has a lot of professional experience.
On the other hand, he didn`t have the best year last year (I don`t know about injuries), he`s 30 now and not athletic (don`t know if he can guard in the N.B.A.) and the big question regarding him is if his game will fit to the N.B.A. especialy to our team.
If he comes to the N.B.A., he will com to win and not just for the money or to be the last player on the bench.
lipoli390 wrote:LST -- Another thought about your Teodosic observations. If he is as you described him, I can't see him signing with the Wolves where he would clearly be a bench player. Instead, I'd see him signing with the Knicks or Nets where he can play on the big stage and be the man. If he signs with us, that says something positive about him.
Fair point. And guys do grow up. He was about 28 when I watched him a lot...perhaps he has matured since then, and is willing to play a proper role on the team. There's no question he has talent...not athleticism in the least, but talent. The question is whether he can ever fit into a system. Personally, I prefer Tyus in the backup PG role...bette defender (ha, when can we ever say that about Jones?) and the consummate team player.
