Camden wrote:Rubio also leads all scorers with 22 points. 2-3 from 3P and 8-9 from the FT line help that number a lot. Basically, the two areas of scoring where he does just fine.
Yeah, he generated some offense tonight for himself, but damn, those 6 TOs hurt. If he had his typical 2 or 3, this may have been a W.
I'm obviously a huge Rubio guy, but we don't have enough depth and (experienced) talent on this team to make up for it when he gets 6 careless TOs like that. And a couple were really careless.
Agreed ricky made key turnovers. But he did positive things also
TheGrey08 wrote:Fucking figures. Sure the Wolves shot themselves in the foot a few times late, but that was NOT a charge. Nene was clearly still moving. So sick of poor officiating in PRO sports...
Yeah, that was questionable, but they were calling charges all night. I thought it could go either way. Nene is a smart vet and he had KAT's number a few times tonight - on both sides of the ball.
Camden wrote:Rubio also leads all scorers with 22 points. 2-3 from 3P and 8-9 from the FT line help that number a lot. Basically, the two areas of scoring where he does just fine.
Yeah, he generated some offense tonight for himself, but damn, those 6 TOs hurt. If he had his typical 2 or 3, this may have been a W.
I'm obviously a huge Rubio guy, but we don't have enough depth and (experienced) talent on this team to make up for it when he gets 6 careless TOs like that. And a couple were really careless.
Yeah, those two late (to LaVine in transition, to Bazz in the post) really hurt what felt like a nice comeback for the Wolves. This likely is a win, though, if the bench doesn't get obliterated. That group is hard to overcome.
Camden wrote:Rubio also leads all scorers with 22 points. 2-3 from 3P and 8-9 from the FT line help that number a lot. Basically, the two areas of scoring where he does just fine.
Yeah, he generated some offense tonight for himself, but damn, those 6 TOs hurt. If he had his typical 2 or 3, this may have been a W.
I'm obviously a huge Rubio guy, but we don't have enough depth and (experienced) talent on this team to make up for it when he gets 6 careless TOs like that. And a couple were really careless.
Yeah, those two late (to LaVine in transition, to Bazz in the post) really hurt what felt like a nice comeback for the Wolves. This likely is a win, though, if the bench doesn't get obliterated. That group is hard to overcome.
Is it that hard to leave either Gorgui or Towns in the game the whole time and still keep their minutes in check? Having Smith AND Payne in there at the same time was brutal! Add a rookie PG and a fairly clueless Shabazz in the mix and it's just hard to expect that group to hold serve against the likes of Nene, Beal, etc.
Camden wrote:Rubio also leads all scorers with 22 points. 2-3 from 3P and 8-9 from the FT line help that number a lot. Basically, the two areas of scoring where he does just fine.
Yeah, he generated some offense tonight for himself, but damn, those 6 TOs hurt. If he had his typical 2 or 3, this may have been a W.
I'm obviously a huge Rubio guy, but we don't have enough depth and (experienced) talent on this team to make up for it when he gets 6 careless TOs like that. And a couple were really careless.
Yeah, those two late (to LaVine in transition, to Bazz in the post) really hurt what felt like a nice comeback for the Wolves. This likely is a win, though, if the bench doesn't get obliterated. That group is hard to overcome.
Is it that hard to leave either Gorgui or Towns in the game the whole time and still keep their minutes in check? Having Smith AND Payne in there at the same time was brutal! Add a rookie PG and a fairly clueless Shabazz in the mix and it's just hard to expect that group to hold serve against the likes of Nene, Beal, etc.
Really looking at a bench makeover next season. I'm looking at bahimmi (sp), Marvin Williams, Chalmers. Assuming we can't get Batum
Camden wrote:Rubio also leads all scorers with 22 points. 2-3 from 3P and 8-9 from the FT line help that number a lot. Basically, the two areas of scoring where he does just fine.
Yeah, he generated some offense tonight for himself, but damn, those 6 TOs hurt. If he had his typical 2 or 3, this may have been a W.
I'm obviously a huge Rubio guy, but we don't have enough depth and (experienced) talent on this team to make up for it when he gets 6 careless TOs like that. And a couple were really careless.
Yeah, those two late (to LaVine in transition, to Bazz in the post) really hurt what felt like a nice comeback for the Wolves. This likely is a win, though, if the bench doesn't get obliterated. That group is hard to overcome.
Is it that hard to leave either Gorgui or Towns in the game the whole time and still keep their minutes in check? Having Smith AND Payne in there at the same time was brutal! Add a rookie PG and a fairly clueless Shabazz in the mix and it's just hard to expect that group to hold serve against the likes of Nene, Beal, etc.
Really looking at a bench makeover next season. I'm looking at bahimmi (sp), Marvin Williams, Chalmers. Assuming we can't get Batum
Good list of guys. I would be on board with those 3.
Does John Wall hurt his offense too, or is Ricky Rubio's woes scoring the basketball super overrated? Personally, I think it's the latter. Interesting statistic that the Wolves broadcast brought up and compared to other high profile PGs in the NBA.
John Wall takes 10 more shots per game. This argument is ridiculous. Ricky pads his stats by shooting a high number of free throws relative to his regular shots taken. If Ricky took 10 more regular shots a game his percentage would tank because he's such a horrible shooter. 51.6% on 17.5 shots or 51.5% on 7.6 shots. Gee, I wonder who's having a bigger impact on the game? I think the guy dropping 20/10 is having a little bit better of a season than the guy dropping 10/9. That's just my opinion though.
Does John Wall hurt his offense too, or is Ricky Rubio's woes scoring the basketball super overrated? Personally, I think it's the latter. Interesting statistic that the Wolves broadcast brought up and compared to other high profile PGs in the NBA.
John Wall takes 10 more shots per game. This argument is ridiculous. Ricky pads his stats by shooting a high number of free throws relative to his regular shots taken. If Ricky took 10 more regular shots a game his percentage would tank because he's such a horrible shooter. 51.6% on 17.5 shots or 51.5% on 7.6 shots. Gee, I wonder who's having a bigger impact on the game? I think the guy dropping 20/10 is having a little bit better of a season than the guy dropping 10/9. That's just my opinion though.
I'm not saying that I totally disagree with you but there is an art at getting to the line. Is wiggins one of the worst players in the nba because he "pads" his stats because he knows how to get to the line. I think ricky would average around wall numbers if he shot 10 times more a game
Does John Wall hurt his offense too, or is Ricky Rubio's woes scoring the basketball super overrated? Personally, I think it's the latter. Interesting statistic that the Wolves broadcast brought up and compared to other high profile PGs in the NBA.
John Wall takes 10 more shots per game. This argument is ridiculous. Ricky pads his stats by shooting a high number of free throws relative to his regular shots taken. If Ricky took 10 more regular shots a game his percentage would tank because he's such a horrible shooter. 51.6% on 17.5 shots or 51.5% on 7.6 shots. Gee, I wonder who's having a bigger impact on the game? I think the guy dropping 20/10 is having a little bit better of a season than the guy dropping 10/9. That's just my opinion though.
Minnesota offensive rating with Ricky on the court - 105.9
Washington Offensive rating with Wall on the court - 103.6
Shouldn't a PG be judged largely by how his team does when he's on the court? It looks to me that Ricky runs a more efficient offense than John Wall does.
That being said, I do agree that Wall poses a much more imposing threat to defenses and definitely creates opportunities for his team mates as a result. But the fact is when he does shoot - and he shoots quite a lot - he's not very efficient. And that's not good for the offense. Perhaps he should look to pass more.
Camden wrote:Wolves starting five all ended up with a positive +/- or 0. The supposed star core (Towns, Wiggins, LaVine) played pretty well, all things considered. If we're looking for a silver lining, there's one... And we didn't hurt our ping pong chances.
It might have been the worst game I've seen from Towns. He looked pedestrian for him tonight.
