kekgeek1 wrote:Zach will become an all star, he is putting up similar number that Harden put up in his second year and similar role.
To be fair... just the fact that one is on a team that's on pace to lose 55+ games and the other was on a team that won 55 games puts a lot of space between them.
LaVine is playing because the team sucks balls and he's shown enough promise to give him run and let him learn while making mistakes.
Harden was a plus player for a team with championship hopes. The difference is important.
That was a disappointing loss but it was different feel than some of the losses during the previous stretch. It felt to me like the Wolves made young team mistakes missed shots at key times maybe got the bad end of some calls at key times. It also felt like they had a run in them but NO kept making plays. Dante had 11 points in the 2nd half. Nobody expected that. It felt like the Wolves at least offensively were making a lot of the right plays comparatively to what I had seen lately but it wasn't working out. Defensively it wasn't a great performance no doubt.
Let's concentrate on Dante for a minute. Here is another guy that you basically don't really expect to be a 3 point shooter but he is functional this year in that regard. Wtf can't we make a guy into a 3 point shooter? It's mind boggling and uber frustrating.
As for Zach not becoming a legit worthwhile NBA player are the people that don't believe think he is basically a Michale Beasely type without the boneheaded off the court stuff? If so I get where you are coming from but man I don't know if you can trade him at his age and he is cheap and get something back that's REALLY more worthwhile. I think a month from now we are gonna be excited about him again. He needs to get his shot on balance again and it will be falling.
monsterpile wrote:As for Zach not becoming a legit worthwhile NBA player are the people that don't believe think he is basically a Michale Beasely type without the boneheaded off the court stuff? If so I get where you are coming from but man I don't know if you can trade him at his age and he is cheap and get something back that's REALLY more worthwhile. I think a month from now we are gonna be excited about him again. He needs to get his shot on balance again and it will be falling.
If Beasley had Lavine's drive he would have fulfilled his potential. Zach IMO is a little slow between the ears, Beasley was just indifferent to pretty much everything. As we've seen nobody was able to make an indifferent millionaire care, we'll find out over the coming years if anybody can make Zach smart enough on the court to fulfill his physical promise.
If Zach fails I don't think it'll be fair to compare him to Beasley because Zach will have given full effort towards succeeding unlike Beasley.
monsterpile wrote:As for Zach not becoming a legit worthwhile NBA player are the people that don't believe think he is basically a Michale Beasely type without the boneheaded off the court stuff? If so I get where you are coming from but man I don't know if you can trade him at his age and he is cheap and get something back that's REALLY more worthwhile. I think a month from now we are gonna be excited about him again. He needs to get his shot on balance again and it will be falling.
If Beasley had Lavine's drive he would have fulfilled his potential. Zach IMO is a little slow between the ears, Beasley was just indifferent to pretty much everything. As we've seen nobody was able to make an indifferent millionaire care, we'll find out over the coming years if anybody can make Zach smart enough on the court to fulfill his physical promise.
If Zach fails I don't think it'll be fair to compare him to Beasley because Zach will have given full effort towards succeeding unlike Beasley.
How do we know LaVine is giving full effort? Is he putting in the right kind of work? Is he putting in video time? Is he putting what he's told into practice?
Maybe.
But I don't know without a doubt. I hesitate to make claims that one guy works harder than another or is giving "110%" all the time.
monsterpile wrote:As for Zach not becoming a legit worthwhile NBA player are the people that don't believe think he is basically a Michale Beasely type without the boneheaded off the court stuff? If so I get where you are coming from but man I don't know if you can trade him at his age and he is cheap and get something back that's REALLY more worthwhile. I think a month from now we are gonna be excited about him again. He needs to get his shot on balance again and it will be falling.
If Beasley had Lavine's drive he would have fulfilled his potential. Zach IMO is a little slow between the ears, Beasley was just indifferent to pretty much everything. As we've seen nobody was able to make an indifferent millionaire care, we'll find out over the coming years if anybody can make Zach smart enough on the court to fulfill his physical promise.
If Zach fails I don't think it'll be fair to compare him to Beasley because Zach will have given full effort towards succeeding unlike Beasley.
How do we know LaVine is giving full effort? Is he putting in the right kind of work? Is he putting in video time? Is he putting what he's told into practice?
Maybe.
But I don't know without a doubt. I hesitate to make claims that one guy works harder than another or is giving "110%" all the time.
I don't know anything more than I read/hear and I've heard over and over that Beasley was underwhelming when it came to focusing on improving which explains why he was always the same player, no improvement from season 1 until his last. Zach on the other hand I've read, not just here, that he's a gym rat, that he's always working on his game. While he clearly has a very long ways to go he has shown improvement in his first year and a half, all while playing a new, difficult position. Is he doing the right type of work? Hell if I know, but to me if he's not that's on the team, not a 20 year old player who shouldn't be expected to know.
The details of their effort I don't know, but the results to me back up their reputations.
monsterpile wrote:As for Zach not becoming a legit worthwhile NBA player are the people that don't believe think he is basically a Michale Beasely type without the boneheaded off the court stuff? If so I get where you are coming from but man I don't know if you can trade him at his age and he is cheap and get something back that's REALLY more worthwhile. I think a month from now we are gonna be excited about him again. He needs to get his shot on balance again and it will be falling.
I think there is a lack of self awareness with him from what I can tell. This goes back to his displeasure with his role at UCLA (thinking he should be a PG of all the funny things) and has continued in the way that he prepares and plays now. I don't get the sense that he is properly evaluating himself, which can often be the shortcoming of people with tremendous amount of talent. I think there are a lot of guys in this category past and present. They work hard, they have tremendous physical talent, yet they may never become dominant basketball players because the game as a whole doesn't come naturally to them. I think it is a coin toss with players in this situation and the betting man in me believes that the majority of players like Lavine don't actually end up developing in the NBA or at least not in a typical way.
monsterpile wrote:As for Zach not becoming a legit worthwhile NBA player are the people that don't believe think he is basically a Michale Beasely type without the boneheaded off the court stuff? If so I get where you are coming from but man I don't know if you can trade him at his age and he is cheap and get something back that's REALLY more worthwhile. I think a month from now we are gonna be excited about him again. He needs to get his shot on balance again and it will be falling.
If Beasley had Lavine's drive he would have fulfilled his potential. Zach IMO is a little slow between the ears, Beasley was just indifferent to pretty much everything. As we've seen nobody was able to make an indifferent millionaire care, we'll find out over the coming years if anybody can make Zach smart enough on the court to fulfill his physical promise.
If Zach fails I don't think it'll be fair to compare him to Beasley because Zach will have given full effort towards succeeding unlike Beasley.
How do we know LaVine is giving full effort? Is he putting in the right kind of work? Is he putting in video time? Is he putting what he's told into practice?
Maybe.
But I don't know without a doubt. I hesitate to make claims that one guy works harder than another or is giving "110%" all the time.
I don't know anything more than I read/hear and I've heard over and over that Beasley was underwhelming when it came to focusing on improving which explains why he was always the same player, no improvement from season 1 until his last. Zach on the other hand I've read, not just here, that he's a gym rat, that he's always working on his game. While he clearly has a very long ways to go he has shown improvement in his first year and a half, all while playing a new, difficult position. Is he doing the right type of work? Hell if I know, but to me if he's not that's on the team, not a 20 year old player who shouldn't be expected to know.
The details of their effort I don't know, but the results to me back up their reputations.
That's fine. I wasn't necessarily comparing LaVine to Beasley... more LaVine to every other NBA player.
A lot of them work very hard at honing their craft.
monsterpile wrote:As for Zach not becoming a legit worthwhile NBA player are the people that don't believe think he is basically a Michale Beasely type without the boneheaded off the court stuff? If so I get where you are coming from but man I don't know if you can trade him at his age and he is cheap and get something back that's REALLY more worthwhile. I think a month from now we are gonna be excited about him again. He needs to get his shot on balance again and it will be falling.
If Beasley had Lavine's drive he would have fulfilled his potential. Zach IMO is a little slow between the ears, Beasley was just indifferent to pretty much everything. As we've seen nobody was able to make an indifferent millionaire care, we'll find out over the coming years if anybody can make Zach smart enough on the court to fulfill his physical promise.
If Zach fails I don't think it'll be fair to compare him to Beasley because Zach will have given full effort towards succeeding unlike Beasley.
How do we know LaVine is giving full effort? Is he putting in the right kind of work? Is he putting in video time? Is he putting what he's told into practice?
Maybe.
But I don't know without a doubt. I hesitate to make claims that one guy works harder than another or is giving "110%" all the time.
I don't know anything more than I read/hear and I've heard over and over that Beasley was underwhelming when it came to focusing on improving which explains why he was always the same player, no improvement from season 1 until his last. Zach on the other hand I've read, not just here, that he's a gym rat, that he's always working on his game. While he clearly has a very long ways to go he has shown improvement in his first year and a half, all while playing a new, difficult position. Is he doing the right type of work? Hell if I know, but to me if he's not that's on the team, not a 20 year old player who shouldn't be expected to know.
The details of their effort I don't know, but the results to me back up their reputations.
That's fine. I wasn't necessarily comparing LaVine to Beasley... more LaVine to every other NBA player.
A lot of them work very hard at honing their craft.
I think it would be safe to say that all good or better players do. There are very few players at the NBA level who have the natural ability to excel without hard work. Even LeBron with all his physical advantages had to work to reach the point where he could be considered as a Jordan peer. For most of the rest it's the difference between being a deep bench player, rotation player, good starter, or finding yourself in China.
