PorkChop wrote:Ppg, rebs, stls, asst, blks are virtually all unchanged and this is his career year? Not exactly setting the bar high for a guy that continues to be the leader of team that wins at a sub .350 clip.
It feels like fans have been losing for so long that their expectation of whats good has really lowered.
If this is truly Rickys career year like you say than it would be wise to get on the phone and get the most you can for him. Unlike what the Wolves did with Pek and KMart.
Rubio has been very consistent. Check out his stats over his first five seasons:
Injured or healthy. Decent offensive weapons or crappy ones... it doesn't really matter. He is who he is. He hasn't improved in much of a tangible way. And he's not improving in any meaningful way this late into his career. That's not bad, it's just not game-changing as far as winning games. He's fine for now on a bad team. It might be enough to help a team with talent reach the playoffs. But we don't really know. The team has underachieved nearly every season with Rubio at the point... whether that's his fault or everybody else's fault but Rubio... I just want to break the cycle.
His number do show a slight uptick as the games per year increased.
We can scour for "slight upticks" if we want to pick and choose signs of improvement. But it's so marginal, with so many other stats to disprove it, that it's futile to do so.
For example, where is the uptick in his 82-game season (his only season with more than 57 games)?
- FG%. That's it. (A good final month got him to 38.1%). But there's not a single other stat that shows any sign of uptick. The guy has posted remarkably consistent stats from one season to the next in his career with different teammates, coaches and styles.
PorkChop wrote:Ppg, rebs, stls, asst, blks are virtually all unchanged and this is his career year? Not exactly setting the bar high for a guy that continues to be the leader of team that wins at a sub .350 clip.
It feels like fans have been losing for so long that their expectation of whats good has really lowered.
If this is truly Rickys career year like you say than it would be wise to get on the phone and get the most you can for him. Unlike what the Wolves did with Pek and KMart.
Rubio has been very consistent. Check out his stats over his first five seasons:
Injured or healthy. Decent offensive weapons or crappy ones... it doesn't really matter. He is who he is. He hasn't improved in much of a tangible way. And he's not improving in any meaningful way this late into his career. That's not bad, it's just not game-changing as far as winning games. He's fine for now on a bad team. It might be enough to help a team with talent reach the playoffs. But we don't really know. The team has underachieved nearly every season with Rubio at the point... whether that's his fault or everybody else's fault but Rubio... I just want to break the cycle.
His number do show a slight uptick as the games per year increased.
We can scour for "slight upticks" if we want to pick and choose signs of improvement. But it's so marginal, with so many other stats to disprove it, that it's futile to do so.
For example, where is the uptick in his 82-game season (his only season with more than 57 games)?
- FG%. That's it. (A good final month got him to 38.1%). But there's not a single other stat that shows any sign of uptick. The guy has posted remarkably consistent stats from one season to the next in his career with different teammates, coaches and styles.
I was looking at TS%, but isn't his offensive scoring what we are really talking about. I don't have a problem with his assists, rebounding, and even his TO's seem to be moving in the right direction.
PorkChop wrote:Ppg, rebs, stls, asst, blks are virtually all unchanged and this is his career year? Not exactly setting the bar high for a guy that continues to be the leader of team that wins at a sub .350 clip.
It feels like fans have been losing for so long that their expectation of whats good has really lowered.
If this is truly Rickys career year like you say than it would be wise to get on the phone and get the most you can for him. Unlike what the Wolves did with Pek and KMart.
Rubio has been very consistent. Check out his stats over his first five seasons:
Injured or healthy. Decent offensive weapons or crappy ones... it doesn't really matter. He is who he is. He hasn't improved in much of a tangible way. And he's not improving in any meaningful way this late into his career. That's not bad, it's just not game-changing as far as winning games. He's fine for now on a bad team. It might be enough to help a team with talent reach the playoffs. But we don't really know. The team has underachieved nearly every season with Rubio at the point... whether that's his fault or everybody else's fault but Rubio... I just want to break the cycle.
His number do show a slight uptick as the games per year increased.
We can scour for "slight upticks" if we want to pick and choose signs of improvement. But it's so marginal, with so many other stats to disprove it, that it's futile to do so.
For example, where is the uptick in his 82-game season (his only season with more than 57 games)?
- FG%. That's it. (A good final month got him to 38.1%). But there's not a single other stat that shows any sign of uptick. The guy has posted remarkably consistent stats from one season to the next in his career with different teammates, coaches and styles.
I was looking at TS%, but isn't his offensive scoring what we are really talking about. I don't have a problem with his assists, rebounding, and even his TO's seem to be moving in the right direction.
Doesn't change anything. For example, he has a higher TS% this season in only 37 games. And back to my consistency point... .491 compared to .484 for his career is pretty negligible, right?
PorkChop wrote:Ppg, rebs, stls, asst, blks are virtually all unchanged and this is his career year? Not exactly setting the bar high for a guy that continues to be the leader of team that wins at a sub .350 clip.
It feels like fans have been losing for so long that their expectation of whats good has really lowered.
If this is truly Rickys career year like you say than it would be wise to get on the phone and get the most you can for him. Unlike what the Wolves did with Pek and KMart.
Rubio has been very consistent. Check out his stats over his first five seasons:
Injured or healthy. Decent offensive weapons or crappy ones... it doesn't really matter. He is who he is. He hasn't improved in much of a tangible way. And he's not improving in any meaningful way this late into his career. That's not bad, it's just not game-changing as far as winning games. He's fine for now on a bad team. It might be enough to help a team with talent reach the playoffs. But we don't really know. The team has underachieved nearly every season with Rubio at the point... whether that's his fault or everybody else's fault but Rubio... I just want to break the cycle.
His number do show a slight uptick as the games per year increased.
We can scour for "slight upticks" if we want to pick and choose signs of improvement. But it's so marginal, with so many other stats to disprove it, that it's futile to do so.
For example, where is the uptick in his 82-game season (his only season with more than 57 games)?
- FG%. That's it. (A good final month got him to 38.1%). But there's not a single other stat that shows any sign of uptick. The guy has posted remarkably consistent stats from one season to the next in his career with different teammates, coaches and styles.
I was looking at TS%, but isn't his offensive scoring what we are really talking about. I don't have a problem with his assists, rebounding, and even his TO's seem to be moving in the right direction.
Doesn't change anything. For example, he has a higher TS% this season in only 37 games. And back to my consistency point... .491 compared to .484 for his career is pretty negligible, right?
I think the point maybe his health. He only has 37 games, but is on pace to play 70. While it is a slight change, it has been pretty consistent.
PorkChop wrote:Ppg, rebs, stls, asst, blks are virtually all unchanged and this is his career year? Not exactly setting the bar high for a guy that continues to be the leader of team that wins at a sub .350 clip.
It feels like fans have been losing for so long that their expectation of whats good has really lowered.
If this is truly Rickys career year like you say than it would be wise to get on the phone and get the most you can for him. Unlike what the Wolves did with Pek and KMart.
Rubio has been very consistent. Check out his stats over his first five seasons:
Injured or healthy. Decent offensive weapons or crappy ones... it doesn't really matter. He is who he is. He hasn't improved in much of a tangible way. And he's not improving in any meaningful way this late into his career. That's not bad, it's just not game-changing as far as winning games. He's fine for now on a bad team. It might be enough to help a team with talent reach the playoffs. But we don't really know. The team has underachieved nearly every season with Rubio at the point... whether that's his fault or everybody else's fault but Rubio... I just want to break the cycle.
His number do show a slight uptick as the games per year increased.
We can scour for "slight upticks" if we want to pick and choose signs of improvement. But it's so marginal, with so many other stats to disprove it, that it's futile to do so.
For example, where is the uptick in his 82-game season (his only season with more than 57 games)?
- FG%. That's it. (A good final month got him to 38.1%). But there's not a single other stat that shows any sign of uptick. The guy has posted remarkably consistent stats from one season to the next in his career with different teammates, coaches and styles.
I was looking at TS%, but isn't his offensive scoring what we are really talking about. I don't have a problem with his assists, rebounding, and even his TO's seem to be moving in the right direction.
Doesn't change anything. For example, he has a higher TS% this season in only 37 games. And back to my consistency point... .491 compared to .484 for his career is pretty negligible, right?
I think the point maybe his health. He only has 37 games, but is on pace to play 70. While it is a slight change, it has been pretty consistent.
To be fair, that's irrelevant to anything I wrote.
Whether he plays a lot or a little... with good teams or bad... Rubio's stats have been very close (consistent) during his 5-year career.
PorkChop wrote:Ppg, rebs, stls, asst, blks are virtually all unchanged and this is his career year? Not exactly setting the bar high for a guy that continues to be the leader of team that wins at a sub .350 clip.
It feels like fans have been losing for so long that their expectation of whats good has really lowered.
If this is truly Rickys career year like you say than it would be wise to get on the phone and get the most you can for him. Unlike what the Wolves did with Pek and KMart.
Rubio has been very consistent. Check out his stats over his first five seasons:
Injured or healthy. Decent offensive weapons or crappy ones... it doesn't really matter. He is who he is. He hasn't improved in much of a tangible way. And he's not improving in any meaningful way this late into his career. That's not bad, it's just not game-changing as far as winning games. He's fine for now on a bad team. It might be enough to help a team with talent reach the playoffs. But we don't really know. The team has underachieved nearly every season with Rubio at the point... whether that's his fault or everybody else's fault but Rubio... I just want to break the cycle.
His number do show a slight uptick as the games per year increased.
We can scour for "slight upticks" if we want to pick and choose signs of improvement. But it's so marginal, with so many other stats to disprove it, that it's futile to do so.
For example, where is the uptick in his 82-game season (his only season with more than 57 games)?
- FG%. That's it. (A good final month got him to 38.1%). But there's not a single other stat that shows any sign of uptick. The guy has posted remarkably consistent stats from one season to the next in his career with different teammates, coaches and styles.
I was looking at TS%, but isn't his offensive scoring what we are really talking about. I don't have a problem with his assists, rebounding, and even his TO's seem to be moving in the right direction.
Doesn't change anything. For example, he has a higher TS% this season in only 37 games. And back to my consistency point... .491 compared to .484 for his career is pretty negligible, right?
I think the point maybe his health. He only has 37 games, but is on pace to play 70. While it is a slight change, it has been pretty consistent.
To be fair, that's irrelevant to anything I wrote.
Whether he plays a lot or a little... with good teams or bad... Rubio's stats have been very close (consistent) during his 5-year career.
Except for his TS%, which has consitently climbed from .476 to .504 with only the 22 games played season deviating.
Volume has to be taken into account when talking about his shooting. He simply doesn't shoot enough for a consistent climb landing at a whopping 3% better overall to really matter and be considered significant improvement. That's 3 more shots made per 100, but he only gets to that hundred about every 12 games whereas a guy like Wiggins can take that amount of shots in about 7. Is 3 more baskets per 12 games really significant?
PorkChop wrote:Ppg, rebs, stls, asst, blks are virtually all unchanged and this is his career year? Not exactly setting the bar high for a guy that continues to be the leader of team that wins at a sub .350 clip.
It feels like fans have been losing for so long that their expectation of whats good has really lowered.
If this is truly Rickys career year like you say than it would be wise to get on the phone and get the most you can for him. Unlike what the Wolves did with Pek and KMart.
Yeah, his numbers aren't dramatically up and he is very much the same player to what we saw as a rookie. But there has indeed been incremental improvements in certain areas of his game. We should also recognize that he was a very good rookie.
As for trading him, the question is what do we get in return and who then plays PG? Anyone who believes he's an addition by subtraction type player hasn't been paying attention for the past 5 years.
PorkChop wrote:Ppg, rebs, stls, asst, blks are virtually all unchanged and this is his career year? Not exactly setting the bar high for a guy that continues to be the leader of team that wins at a sub .350 clip.
It feels like fans have been losing for so long that their expectation of whats good has really lowered.
If this is truly Rickys career year like you say than it would be wise to get on the phone and get the most you can for him. Unlike what the Wolves did with Pek and KMart.
Yeah, his numbers aren't dramatically up and he is very much the same player to what we saw as a rookie. But there has indeed been incremental improvements in certain areas of his game. We should also recognize that he was a very good rookie.
As for trading him, the question is what do we get in return and who then plays PG? Anyone who believes he's an addition by subtraction type player hasn't been paying attention for the past 5 years.
After 5 years are you okay with incremental parts of his game being better? Especially non that show up on the stat sheet?
As I've mentioned, if you deem this his best year you trade him for wh@whatever you can get (Norel maybe?) And get Dunn in the draft.
PorkChop wrote:Ppg, rebs, stls, asst, blks are virtually all unchanged and this is his career year? Not exactly setting the bar high for a guy that continues to be the leader of team that wins at a sub .350 clip.
It feels like fans have been losing for so long that their expectation of whats good has really lowered.
If this is truly Rickys career year like you say than it would be wise to get on the phone and get the most you can for him. Unlike what the Wolves did with Pek and KMart.
Yeah, his numbers aren't dramatically up and he is very much the same player to what we saw as a rookie. But there has indeed been incremental improvements in certain areas of his game. We should also recognize that he was a very good rookie.
As for trading him, the question is what do we get in return and who then plays PG? Anyone who believes he's an addition by subtraction type player hasn't been paying attention for the past 5 years.
After 5 years are you okay with incremental parts of his game being better? Especially non that show up on the stat sheet?
As I've mentioned, if you deem this his best year you trade him for wh@whatever you can get (Norel maybe?) And get Dunn in the draft.
Dunn
Wiggins
Shabazz
KAT
Norel
Henk Norel you say? Don't we already own his rights?
Kris Dunn certainly looks good on paper, but do we really want to fritter away another year as this team helps a rookie starter get potty-trained?
We could have Dunn AND Rubio. And if Dunn at some point overtakes Rubio, then we have options.
