The Love bashing is ridiculous, especially on this board. Even in a "down" season, in a situation where he's not utilized correctly, the guy posted 16 & 10 with a TS% of .553. With some of the contracts handed out this summer, his deal in comparison to his play is going to look like a bargain.
I was always one of his biggest fans. But I'm not paying a guy with his current game, and injury history that kind of money over the next 4 years.
Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Cavs lose game 7 (or maybe they win). Draft is barely underway. Cavs and Knicks are trying to drum up a lottery team to take Love with Melo going to Cavs. Melo is amenable. Boston overplays their hand and misses their chance, Phoenix isn't ready to commit to success. . .Up next is the Wolves. Thibs looks at Love and sees a guy who is a young vet that can play winning basketball. He sees a guy who can be a dominant rebounder that helps improve our defense in that way. He sees a guy who legitimately stretches the floor. He and Towns can alternate playing inside and out. They can both pass the ball effectively. So Thibs asks himself if he can get Love to play to his standards in a team defensive concept. He starts to feel optimistic.
The deal goes as follows:
Cavs get: Carmelo Anthony
Knicks get: 5th pick, Nikola Pekovic, Shabazz Muhammad, Adreian Payne
Wolves get: Kevin Love, 2017 Knicks 2nd round pick
Do you make this trade?
Love isn't young for an NBA player. He'll be 28 before the season starts. I don't want to give away the fifth pick for the right to tie up 20 plus million dollars on a one way player. I'd rather just go after a free agent like Horford, Durant or Batum this year or Millsap, Ibaka or Blake Griffin next year.
The Love bashing is ridiculous, especially on this board. Even in a "down" season, in a situation where he's not utilized correctly, the guy posted 16 & 10 with a TS% of .553. With some of the contracts handed out this summer, his deal in comparison to his play is going to look like a bargain.
I was always one of his biggest fans. But I'm not paying a guy with his current game, and injury history that kind of money over the next 4 years.
He's played 75+ games the last three years. His current game is near All-Star level and that's practically his floor considering he's predominantly used as a spot-up 3P shooter. What am I missing?
The Love bashing is ridiculous, especially on this board. Even in a "down" season, in a situation where he's not utilized correctly, the guy posted 16 & 10 with a TS% of .553. With some of the contracts handed out this summer, his deal in comparison to his play is going to look like a bargain.
I was always one of his biggest fans. But I'm not paying a guy with his current game, and injury history that kind of money over the next 4 years.
Pek and KG will be making 20 million combined next year, so if this trade as proposed happens Love costs 1.5 million more than 2 guys who can't play. I think I'd take Love in that scenario. I also find it fascinating MN Timberwolves fans who have seen Love at his peak are declaring him this 3rd option player for the rest of his career when he's 28. He's a damn good player as a number 1 or 2 option. He's not nearly as good when you stick him on the perimeter 90% of the time and don't let him utilize his offensive versatility. He was a monster on offense because he did everything. He drew fouls at a high rate, played in the high and low post effectively, grabbed some offensive board and got second chance points and he could stretch it out to the perimeter if the other team didn't respect it. When you take away 90% of that of course he's going to look worse
The Love bashing is ridiculous, especially on this board. Even in a "down" season, in a situation where he's not utilized correctly, the guy posted 16 & 10 with a TS% of .553. With some of the contracts handed out this summer, his deal in comparison to his play is going to look like a bargain.
I was always one of his biggest fans. But I'm not paying a guy with his current game, and injury history that kind of money over the next 4 years.
He's played 75+ games the last three years. His current game is near All-Star level and that's practically his floor considering he's predominantly used as a spot-up 3P shooter. What am I missing?
I really don't think you're missing anything. I see a declining player who doesn't fit with Thibs and would be making too much money vs the return on investment. You must believe he can return to his Pre-Cleveland self and remain there for the next 4 years. It's just a difference of opinion, that's all.
If you simplistically divide basketball performance into 3 categories...offense, defense and intangibles, Love doesn't fare well. He's a good offensive player, ridiculed by players and pundits on defense, and close to cancerous in intangibles. Further, he's essentially the 4th or 5th best player this season on the Cavs when it counts most under the bright lights, and he forces his coaches to find ways to hide him on defense. When you consider all aspects of Kevin's game, it doesn't add up to a max contract to me.
And Khans' point about Love's contract just being slightly more than Pek and KG who can't play is a non-starter. the fact that we are saddled with a useless contract with Pek can't be an argument for adding a guy just because his contract isn't as bad. the discussion isn't about Love vs. KG plus Pek. It's about Love vs. #5 + Bazz, and that wins easily for me.
The problem I see with Love is that if you add him without subtracting Towns, Wiggins and Lavine you may end up with a similar problem that Cavs have with him. How do you get him the ball to let him be effective? This is all theoretical because Love isn't coming here but I think it would be hard to see how it would work even though it is fun to think about and that's not a rip on Love just sort of a reality.
longstrangetrip wrote:If you simplistically divide basketball performance into 3 categories...offense, defense and intangibles, Love doesn't fare well. He's a good offensive player, ridiculed by players and pundits on defense, and close to cancerous in intangibles. Further, he's essentially the 4th or 5th best player this season on the Cavs when it counts most under the bright lights, and he forces his coaches to find ways to hide him on defense. When you consider all aspects of Kevin's game, it doesn't add up to a max contract to me.
And Khans' point about Love's contract just being slightly more than Pek and KG who can't play is a non-starter. the fact that we are saddled with a useless contract with Pek can't be an argument for adding a guy just because his contract isn't as bad. the discussion isn't about Love vs. KG plus Pek. It's about Love vs. #5 + Bazz, and that wins easily for me.
You're fucking insane if you would turn down 5 and Bazz for Love. The value isn't even close. Love is so far and away more valuable than 5 and Bazz it's ridiculous. I can't take it anymore. The Love bashing on this board is God damn ridiculous. He was a top 5 player in the entire fucking league when he played for us and you wouldn't take that for Bazz and 5? Ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous. Love could be the worst defender of all time (which he isn't) and still be more valuable than Bazz and #5. Love is never gonna be a T-Wolf again, but the lack of objective analysis of his basketball abilities because you (in the general sense) don't like him is just astounding.
The Love bashing is ridiculous, especially on this board. Even in a "down" season, in a situation where he's not utilized correctly, the guy posted 16 & 10 with a TS% of .553. With some of the contracts handed out this summer, his deal in comparison to his play is going to look like a bargain.
I was always one of his biggest fans. But I'm not paying a guy with his current game, and injury history that kind of money over the next 4 years.
He's played 75+ games the last three years. His current game is near All-Star level and that's practically his floor considering he's predominantly used as a spot-up 3P shooter. What am I missing?
You use the term "All-Star" level like it means something. The All-Star game is a popularity contest. Googs and Wally were all-stars too. We have another old All-Star in KG. Love would be a terrible fit here, not to mention all the capspace he would eat up. Plus, Love's best days are over. The Love Era in Minnesota is also over. Accept it.
The Love bashing is ridiculous, especially on this board. Even in a "down" season, in a situation where he's not utilized correctly, the guy posted 16 & 10 with a TS% of .553. With some of the contracts handed out this summer, his deal in comparison to his play is going to look like a bargain.
I was always one of his biggest fans. But I'm not paying a guy with his current game, and injury history that kind of money over the next 4 years.
He's played 75+ games the last three years. His current game is near All-Star level and that's practically his floor considering he's predominantly used as a spot-up 3P shooter. What am I missing?
You use the term "All-Star" level like it means something. The All-Star game is a popularity contest. Googs and Wally were all-stars too. We have another old All-Star in KG. Love would be a terrible fit here, not to mention all the capspace he would eat up. Plus, Love's best days are over. The Love Era in Minnesota is also over. Accept it.
Why do you even comment towards me? I disagree with 95% of what you say. We don't have a good relationship on the forum. I'm tired of debating any and all topics with you. Skim over my shit and keep it moving. Please and thank you, for the third time now.
