Camden wrote:Lawson is atrocious defensively. That'd be a massive downgrade. Ariza's defense has fallen off a cliff this year too. Not to mention his 12.39 PER doesn't exactly help him either. He's part of the problem in Houston. We'd have to pay Jones quite a good amount of money before next year. I think that trade makes us much worse.
We could keep Ricky and throw a whole lot of money at Batum, Barnes, etc. and be in a better situation.
Hey Cam, this is probably a question for another thread, but....
You reference Batum, Barnes, etc a ton as guys we should get. I totally agree, but.....I have to bet that 75% of the teams in the NBA will have as much or more money than the Wolves next offseason. Both of those guys will be extremely high priority for teams not named the Timberwolves. While you seem to feel there is a pretty good chance to get them, I personally feel it is probably a 5% chance we actually get one of those key free agents. I know we love to tout the "talent" they would be lucky enough to play with....but not sure these guys aren't looking at our record over the past 10 years and seeing fools gold. Doesn't mean I do the deal with Houston above. But I also don't know that we can plan our future off projecting free agents we may get either.
Camden wrote:Lawson is atrocious defensively. That'd be a massive downgrade. Ariza's defense has fallen off a cliff this year too. Not to mention his 12.39 PER doesn't exactly help him either. He's part of the problem in Houston. We'd have to pay Jones quite a good amount of money before next year. I think that trade makes us much worse.
We could keep Ricky and throw a whole lot of money at Batum, Barnes, etc. and be in a better situation.
Hey Cam, this is probably a question for another thread, but....
You reference Batum, Barnes, etc a ton as guys we should get. I totally agree, but.....I have to bet that 75% of the teams in the NBA will have as much or more money than the Wolves next offseason. Both of those guys will be extremely high priority for teams not named the Timberwolves. While you seem to feel there is a pretty good chance to get them, I personally feel it is probably a 5% chance we actually get one of those key free agents. I know we love to tout the "talent" they would be lucky enough to play with....but not sure these guys aren't looking at our record over the past 10 years and seeing fools gold. Doesn't mean I do the deal with Houston above. But I also don't know that we can plan our future off projecting free agents we may get either.
I don't mean to make it sound like a done deal that we land one of them. I do think those are highly coveted guys, as you say. Our plan might not even be to do anything in free agency. I just would rather pursue a list of free agents and possibly strike out on them all than trade a very important player for multiple players that don't help us that much.
Camden wrote:Lawson is atrocious defensively. That'd be a massive downgrade. Ariza's defense has fallen off a cliff this year too. Not to mention his 12.39 PER doesn't exactly help him either. He's part of the problem in Houston. We'd have to pay Jones quite a good amount of money before next year. I think that trade makes us much worse.
We could keep Ricky and throw a whole lot of money at Batum, Barnes, etc. and be in a better situation.
Hey Cam, this is probably a question for another thread, but....
You reference Batum, Barnes, etc a ton as guys we should get. I totally agree, but.....I have to bet that 75% of the teams in the NBA will have as much or more money than the Wolves next offseason. Both of those guys will be extremely high priority for teams not named the Timberwolves. While you seem to feel there is a pretty good chance to get them, I personally feel it is probably a 5% chance we actually get one of those key free agents. I know we love to tout the "talent" they would be lucky enough to play with....but not sure these guys aren't looking at our record over the past 10 years and seeing fools gold. Doesn't mean I do the deal with Houston above. But I also don't know that we can plan our future off projecting free agents we may get either.
Bingo. Cam is off in la la land thinking we are any kind of free agent destination for guys like Batum and Barnes who can go to perennial playoff teams and make the same money because everyone is going to have money. It's fun to think about, but it isn't happening. Ariza is attainable and might just need a change of scenery with other players who give a shit on defense and try (like our young core does) to improve his play. I'd rather plan for something attainable and not put all the eggs in the free agent basket in this market. This deal would stop us from overspending on anyone so we remain flexible moving forward while all these other teams add immovable monstrosities to their rosters.
Camden wrote:Lawson is atrocious defensively. That'd be a massive downgrade. Ariza's defense has fallen off a cliff this year too. Not to mention his 12.39 PER doesn't exactly help him either. He's part of the problem in Houston. We'd have to pay Jones quite a good amount of money before next year. I think that trade makes us much worse.
We could keep Ricky and throw a whole lot of money at Batum, Barnes, etc. and be in a better situation.
Hey Cam, this is probably a question for another thread, but....
You reference Batum, Barnes, etc a ton as guys we should get. I totally agree, but.....I have to bet that 75% of the teams in the NBA will have as much or more money than the Wolves next offseason. Both of those guys will be extremely high priority for teams not named the Timberwolves. While you seem to feel there is a pretty good chance to get them, I personally feel it is probably a 5% chance we actually get one of those key free agents. I know we love to tout the "talent" they would be lucky enough to play with....but not sure these guys aren't looking at our record over the past 10 years and seeing fools gold. Doesn't mean I do the deal with Houston above. But I also don't know that we can plan our future off projecting free agents we may get either.
Bingo. Cam is off in la la land thinking we are any kind of free agent destination for guys like Batum and Barnes who can go to perennial playoff teams and make the same money because everyone is going to have money. It's fun to think about, but it isn't happening. Ariza is attainable and might just need a change of scenery with other players who give a shit on defense and try (like our young core does) to improve his play. I'd rather plan for something attainable and not put all the eggs in the free agent basket in this market. This deal would stop us from overspending on anyone so we remain flexible moving forward while all these other teams add immovable monstrosities to their rosters.
Your proposed trade makes us even worse as a team. Bravo. Another excellent idea from the great khans. Should we dump Towns for Mosgov, Shumpert and Delly too?
Broussard tweeted "Source: Minnesota looking to move Kevin Martin & Adreian Payne, open to moving Rubio. interested in adding Miles Plumlee from Milwaukee."
Geez, Plumlee does nothing for me. Don't mind moving Martin & Payne but that Rubio mention gets me a little nervous. I wouldn't mind Henson on the Bucks if we give up a minor player.
Camden wrote:Lawson is atrocious defensively. That'd be a massive downgrade. Ariza's defense has fallen off a cliff this year too. Not to mention his 12.39 PER doesn't exactly help him either. He's part of the problem in Houston. We'd have to pay Jones quite a good amount of money before next year. I think that trade makes us much worse.
We could keep Ricky and throw a whole lot of money at Batum, Barnes, etc. and be in a better situation.
Hey Cam, this is probably a question for another thread, but....
You reference Batum, Barnes, etc a ton as guys we should get. I totally agree, but.....I have to bet that 75% of the teams in the NBA will have as much or more money than the Wolves next offseason. Both of those guys will be extremely high priority for teams not named the Timberwolves. While you seem to feel there is a pretty good chance to get them, I personally feel it is probably a 5% chance we actually get one of those key free agents. I know we love to tout the "talent" they would be lucky enough to play with....but not sure these guys aren't looking at our record over the past 10 years and seeing fools gold. Doesn't mean I do the deal with Houston above. But I also don't know that we can plan our future off projecting free agents we may get either.
Bingo. Cam is off in la la land thinking we are any kind of free agent destination for guys like Batum and Barnes who can go to perennial playoff teams and make the same money because everyone is going to have money. It's fun to think about, but it isn't happening. Ariza is attainable and might just need a change of scenery with other players who give a shit on defense and try (like our young core does) to improve his play. I'd rather plan for something attainable and not put all the eggs in the free agent basket in this market. This deal would stop us from overspending on anyone so we remain flexible moving forward while all these other teams add immovable monstrosities to their rosters.
Your proposed trade makes us even worse as a team. Bravo. Another excellent idea from the great khans. Should we dump Towns for Mosgov, Shumpert and Delly too?
Sure thing pal. You're obviously just throwing out gold ideas on here trading two guys who don't play for us to the Kings for both of their SG's who are playing. Ricky is clearly as valuable as Towns and should fetch us a superstar back or why bother even throwing his name out there right? Maybe pull your head out of your ass so you can see what players have done beyond 1/2 of 1 season and see what they could do in a different situation. Ariza only seems to be a starter on deep playoff teams year after year, but this half-season is who he really is as a player. He just brings nothing to the table for a team that desperately needs 3pt shooting and defense. Lawson was only a borderline all-star on his last competent team where he was running the show. But hey, a guy who's never been a backup before this season should be judged solely on this half season as to what he can bring to the table. GTFO
TeamRicky wrote:Broussard tweeted "Source: Minnesota looking to move Kevin Martin & Adreian Payne, open to moving Rubio. interested in adding Miles Plumlee from Milwaukee."
Geez, Plumlee does nothing for me. Don't mind moving Martin & Payne but that Rubio mention gets me a little nervous. I wouldn't mind Henson on the Bucks if we give up a minor player.
Only thing we didn't know was Plumlee's name. Haven't heard that one before. I liked him when he was in Phoenix. Could be a solid big off the bench. Not sure what we'd give to get him.
Camden wrote:Lawson is atrocious defensively. That'd be a massive downgrade. Ariza's defense has fallen off a cliff this year too. Not to mention his 12.39 PER doesn't exactly help him either. He's part of the problem in Houston. We'd have to pay Jones quite a good amount of money before next year. I think that trade makes us much worse.
We could keep Ricky and throw a whole lot of money at Batum, Barnes, etc. and be in a better situation.
Hey Cam, this is probably a question for another thread, but....
You reference Batum, Barnes, etc a ton as guys we should get. I totally agree, but.....I have to bet that 75% of the teams in the NBA will have as much or more money than the Wolves next offseason. Both of those guys will be extremely high priority for teams not named the Timberwolves. While you seem to feel there is a pretty good chance to get them, I personally feel it is probably a 5% chance we actually get one of those key free agents. I know we love to tout the "talent" they would be lucky enough to play with....but not sure these guys aren't looking at our record over the past 10 years and seeing fools gold. Doesn't mean I do the deal with Houston above. But I also don't know that we can plan our future off projecting free agents we may get either.
Bingo. Cam is off in la la land thinking we are any kind of free agent destination for guys like Batum and Barnes who can go to perennial playoff teams and make the same money because everyone is going to have money. It's fun to think about, but it isn't happening. Ariza is attainable and might just need a change of scenery with other players who give a shit on defense and try (like our young core does) to improve his play. I'd rather plan for something attainable and not put all the eggs in the free agent basket in this market. This deal would stop us from overspending on anyone so we remain flexible moving forward while all these other teams add immovable monstrosities to their rosters.
If we were such a terrible destination, why did Batum sign with us before. You also shouldn't underestimate the appeal of playing with KAT, Wiggins and Ricky (a guy who will deliver crisp passes to you). Maybe we won't strike it rich this coming offseason, but with a good coach and big leaps next year, I could see players wanting to be here beginning in Summer 2017.
