The February 18th Trade Deadline is Nearing

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Also, why do some of you keep referring to Noel as a one way talent? He's averaging just under 11 PPG and over 8 RPG with 1.5 APG and a TS% at .546 in 29 MPG. That's without a starting caliber point guard and garbage production on the perimeter. 11 & 8 while notching 1.5/1.5 in steals and blocks per game with the minutes he's playing? I'm not sure why there's not enough excitement about the guy. He's not going to be an All-Star on offense, but he's not a black hole or liability at all.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I was more so talking about trading the pick for Noel. Towns and Wiggins aren't going anywhere, and LaVine likely isn't either.

I'm definitely down for that. Make it happen Cam.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

When we look at a trade for Noel, it is paramount that we remember that article from a year ago about the type of players Philly is looking to add at the 1-3 spot. Long athletes, capable of shooting and defending. They've given up on MCW and KJ McDaniels recently because they could not shoot. Well, Bazz isn't supremely gifted athletically, and neither is Dieng (who is not a 1-3 either). Shabazz is a decent shooter, with promise, but he cannot defend. Dieng is older, isn't a plus defender, nor a plus offensive player. He is the perfect big off the bench (Noel is better). There are three players on the T-Wolves that fit the Philly idea ... KAT, Wiggins, and LaVine. I am not willing to give up any of them to acquire Noel. If Shabazz and Dieng get the deal done, then you do it. If either Shabazz or Dieng, KMart (as an expiring trade coin), and 2 2nd round draft picks, or a very future first get the deal done, then you do it.

We have finally accumulated top talent. We don't change potential two-way top talent for other potential top talent (especially when as one sided in a game as Noel is). You trade top potential two-way talent for proven top talent. Even after we have seen these guys for .5-1.5 years we have to remember that LaVine can potentially play the 1 and 2. Wiggins can potentially play the 2 and 3. Towns can potentially play the 4 and 5. All 3 of these guys are potential 2 way talents. That gives this team TONS of flexibility. Let's not give it away.

Dig the fact that you took time to actually consider what works for Philadelphia in all of these trade scenarios.

Yeah, I like Noel as much as the next guy and would be OK with trading our lotto pick for a guy like him. But I don't get the sense Philly would do that deal. Okafor seems like the much more likely trade target, but I have no interest in having a big man that is shaky on defense and needs the offense to revolve around him.

Edit: By the way, is too early to declare a decisive "Win" for Flip in taking KAT over Okafor? A lot can happen in the coming years, but the combination of production AND potential upside with Towns just boggles my mind. We have not seen the total package yet, but with Okafor what you see is kind of what you get (not that he won't improve - but I think it will just be doing the stuff he does now a little bit better).

[AbeVigodaLive]

Also, why do some of you keep referring to Noel as a one way talent? He's averaging just under 11 PPG and over 8 RPG with 1.5 APG and a TS% at .546 in 29 MPG. That's without a starting caliber point guard and garbage production on the perimeter. 11 & 8 while notching 1.5/1.5 in steals and blocks per game with the minutes he's playing? I'm not sure why there's not enough excitement about the guy. He's not going to be an All-Star on offense, but he's not a black hole or liability at all.

Depends where he is on offense. Again... he just doesn't work with Okafor. Have you seen his shooting stats beyond 5 feet? I remember seeing them earlier in the season and they were league-worst-level dreadful.

The arrival of Ish Smith and Philly's desire to get him closer to the rim (especially when not sharing the floor with Okafor) has done wonders for Noel's game. And as noted, his steals and blocks going back up while playing closer to the rim more often is also probably not a coincidence.

[TheFuture]

When we look at a trade for Noel, it is paramount that we remember that article from a year ago about the type of players Philly is looking to add at the 1-3 spot. Long athletes, capable of shooting and defending. They've given up on MCW and KJ McDaniels recently because they could not shoot. Well, Bazz isn't supremely gifted athletically, and neither is Dieng (who is not a 1-3 either). Shabazz is a decent shooter, with promise, but he cannot defend. Dieng is older, isn't a plus defender, nor a plus offensive player. He is the perfect big off the bench (Noel is better). There are three players on the T-Wolves that fit the Philly idea ... KAT, Wiggins, and LaVine. I am not willing to give up any of them to acquire Noel. If Shabazz and Dieng get the deal done, then you do it. If either Shabazz or Dieng, KMart (as an expiring trade coin), and 2 2nd round draft picks, or a very future first get the deal done, then you do it.

We have finally accumulated top talent. We don't change potential two-way top talent for other potential top talent (especially when as one sided in a game as Noel is). You trade top potential two-way talent for proven top talent. Even after we have seen these guys for .5-1.5 years we have to remember that LaVine can potentially play the 1 and 2. Wiggins can potentially play the 2 and 3. Towns can potentially play the 4 and 5. All 3 of these guys are potential 2 way talents. That gives this team TONS of flexibility. Let's not give it away.

What's the two way talent we'd be giving away?

LaVine is potentially a talent in both areas in this league.

Everyone here is frustrated because we've dealt with BS rebuilding for 10+ years, but the reality is we are in our 2nd year of a rebuild actually done right. We've since lost the visionary who put us in this position and now we are all panicking. That is because we were fans for all of those other years. Flip hand chose LaVine, Wiggins, and Towns. He was right in all of those cases. Those players are still untouchable, at least in my eyes. Shabazz and Dieng are serviceable, but definitely not untouchable. Neither is Ricky because you cannot win in this league without scoring from his position.

The trades in question are Cam's who would send LaVine in a package for Noel. The other is Shabazz and filler/Dieng/whatever for Noel. The only one possible is Cam's trade, but i just do not do it. Outside of LaVine, Wiggins, or Towns, I'd package Ricky with any player and a 2nd round pick, any 2 players + a filler at this point, like Pek, Martin, Miller, Prince, Rudez, or any 1 player + our 1st rounder for Noel. Otherwise i am standing pat and drafting Ingram or Dunn with our top 3-4 pick.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

To clarify, I brought up a LaVine for Noel trade earlier in the thread with the question of "who says no" to it. That's the right now deal that is most possible for both sides, but I wasn't pushing that exact deal super hard. Wait til this summer and the better trade for us, and perhaps the Sixers, is our top-five pick for Noel. THAT deal does interest me very much.

[Q12543 [enjin:6621299]]

To clarify, I brought up a LaVine for Noel trade earlier in the thread with the question of "who says no" to it. That's the right now deal that is most possible for both sides, but I wasn't pushing that exact deal super hard. Wait til this summer and the better trade for us, and perhaps the Sixers, is our top-five pick for Noel. THAT deal does interest me very much.

We know it interests you as well as many of us. But the real question is whether it interests the Sixers. I doubt it.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

To clarify, I brought up a LaVine for Noel trade earlier in the thread with the question of "who says no" to it. That's the right now deal that is most possible for both sides, but I wasn't pushing that exact deal super hard. Wait til this summer and the better trade for us, and perhaps the Sixers, is our top-five pick for Noel. THAT deal does interest me very much.

We know it interests you as well as many of us. But the real question is whether it interests the Sixers. I doubt it.

They have to move somebody. You can't hold on to Noel, Okafor, Embiid and Saric. At some point, they have to move assets to help in other areas. The only two players that teams would pay something of value for right now is Noel and Okafor. Have to think they want to build around Okafor, no?

[thedoper]

Rubio for Conley with the understanding that he'll reup with us. There's a Rubio trade I'd fully get behind.

If Memphis decided to go full rebuild. Would you give up Rubio, Pek, Shabazz, Dieng, and our 1st for Gasol and Conley?

I would actually. I don't think Memphis would do that. I think they are going to try retool around Gasol. I thought Rubio for Conley would work at the outside chance that Gasol wants to play with Ricky.

[bleedspeed]

doper - I think Gasol here with Towns, Wiggins, Rubio, and Lavine is a playoff team.