CoolBreeze44 wrote:If this question had been asked a month ago - well wait - this question never would have been asked a month ago. Don't be a prisoner of the moment guys.
To be fair... We've had Milwaukee vs. Minnesota debates before. And Parker vs. Wiggins debates have happened before. And we've had Middleton vs. Rubio debates. And Giannis vs. Wiggins debates.
So it's not like it's an entirely new topic... just rehashing previous ones slightly differently.
To be fair, GA and Parker have exploded the last month and it's the only reason why this particular debate is relevant. Prior to that Towns was twice as good as GA, Wiggins was twice as good as Parker, and Middleton had an edge on Lavine. All I'm suggesting is this is the type of thing message boards do, manufacture a debate based on a small window of play.
I don't necessarily agree. For example, the one thing I see commonly on message boards is the use of hyperbole in legit discussion points, e.g., "he's twice as good" and "it's not even close!"
The point is that prior to his injury, Parker vs. Wiggins had merit. And, we've discussed GA vs. Wiggins previously... with those choosing GA called "insane" at the time.
Again, you see knee-jerk reactionary stuff. I see a good discussion being compromised by yet more hyperbolic commentary.
Look at the vote total so far. Doesn't look like much of debate today. You want to make a big deal out of this? Take the Milwaukee side and be convincing.
No. I chose Minnesota because of Towns. (see above)
I just wanted to point out your consistently bombastic, antagonistic and even hypocritical posting style.
You have problems with posters having strong opinions. The truth is those with strong opinions are what makes the board interesting. Without posters like myself, Cam, Khans, Lip and Q this would be a pretty generic place. Your counterpunch style leads to more antagonism than anything else here.
Didn't mean to derail the thread...
Actually, Q and I agree on many, many things. Maybe I'm actually a member of the "cool kids club" despite my leanings toward realistic takes, non-combative discussions and slightly less Wolves-centric opinions while trying to see both sides of issues.
For example, I can see why bombastic hyperbole is good for a message board. It incites responses. The voice of reason in me simply gives those authors less credibility when they use those takes as bully pulpits or to belittle other takes time after time after time.
See. Everything all neatly wrapped up in a single response.
And I'm the one using hyperbole? Please. You're the only guy who consistently gets under my skin and makes this board less appealing. I can have knock down drag out disagreements with Cam, but prefer that to the petty BS you run at me. I'm pretty sure somewhere along the line I offended you, and that is the root of most of this. For whatever I did, I apologize. If I'm constantly bullying you here as you suggest and that makes you uncomfortable, perhaps you don't respond to my blatant attempts to be bombastic.
I don't necessarily agree. For example, the one thing I see commonly on message boards is the use of hyperbole in legit discussion points, e.g., "he's twice as good" and "it's not even close!"
The point is that prior to his injury, Parker vs. Wiggins had merit. And, we've discussed GA vs. Wiggins previously... with those choosing GA called "insane" at the time.
Again, you see knee-jerk reactionary stuff. I see a good discussion being compromised by yet more hyperbolic commentary
You find me something that preceded it that was either bullying or bombastic.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Here was the inflammatory post in this thread:
I don't necessarily agree. For example, the one thing I see commonly on message boards is the use of hyperbole in legit discussion points, e.g., "he's twice as good" and "it's not even close!"
The point is that prior to his injury, Parker vs. Wiggins had merit. And, we've discussed GA vs. Wiggins previously... with those choosing GA called "insane" at the time.
Again, you see knee-jerk reactionary stuff. I see a good discussion being compromised by yet more hyperbolic commentary
You find me something that preceded it that was either bullying or bombastic.
You're trying too hard.
You made claims about being "twice as good" and I called you on it for what it was... hyperbolic. And I referenced the time when you used the term "insane" for anybody willing to choose GA over Wiggins. Whether either was "bombastic" is up to interpretation but I didn't use that term in the post you're quoting.
CoolBreeze44 wrote:Here was the inflammatory post in this thread:
I don't necessarily agree. For example, the one thing I see commonly on message boards is the use of hyperbole in legit discussion points, e.g., "he's twice as good" and "it's not even close!"
The point is that prior to his injury, Parker vs. Wiggins had merit. And, we've discussed GA vs. Wiggins previously... with those choosing GA called "insane" at the time.
Again, you see knee-jerk reactionary stuff. I see a good discussion being compromised by yet more hyperbolic commentary
You find me something that preceded it that was either bullying or bombastic.
You're trying too hard.
You made claims about being "twice as good" and I called you on it for what it was... hyperbolic. And I referenced the time when you used the term "insane" for anybody willing to choose GA over Wiggins. Whether either was "bombastic" is up to interpretation but I didn't use that term in the post you're quoting.
Its just weird how tuned in you are to previous comments I've made, whether that be last week or last year. I've made 1000's of posts and you seem to have this cache of my lesser moments stored for recall whenever you see fit. I just find the preoccupation odd.
Giannis is way ahead of LaVine right now as a basketball player. There's no questioning that, but I still have hope that with another year of seasoning and a consistent role on this team as starting shooting guard that LaVine can and will close the gap a bit. The main reason why I think this is because LaVine can shoot from anywhere on the court and Giannis can't (consistently).
This is pure conjecture, but over the past month or so I've seen an uptick in LaVine's want to drive the ball to the hoop. Not only that, but he's figuring out how to finish on the left side of the rim, be it with his left hand or just rising above defenders and banking it in with two hands. Regardless of how he does it (prefer with his left hand), he is improving there from what I've seen.
He's also turning into a pretty reliable shooter (36.4% from 3P this season). That number's skewed by his super cold shooting in December (23.4%), the only month of the season that he shot below 34.5% (league average is 35.2%) from deep. If you remove December from the equation, LaVine's a 39.9% 3P shooter this year with decent volume. That's something Giannis just can't bring to the table.
I think, like Giannis did, LaVine will breakout in his third season. Just my opinion and I can't see the future, but he's progressively gotten better over the course of the season on both ends of the floor. I'd expect that trend to continue with another off-season to work on his game and his body, and also knowing that the starting SG position is his. He has a lot to build on from this year. 2015-16 was relatively good for Zach.
Cool it did feel somewhat like you told everyone on the board we were dumb for having this conversation about these 2 young franchises in light of GF's last stretch of brilliance. Do you suggest we have some sort of calendar date when we revisit these boarder teams so we aren't just swayed by a few games of ups and downs? :) After you basically told Abe he was just a guy that likes to take the other side and he should do that Abe probably crossed the line ripping your posts but as you said you have history so that doesn't help keep the discussion civil.
Cool gets frustrated by people who take a few games and...wait so does Abe. Are you guys really so far apart? :)
monsterpile wrote:Cool it did feel somewhat like you told everyone on the board we were dumb for having this conversation about these 2 young franchises in light of GF's last stretch of brilliance. Do you suggest we have some sort of calendar date when we revisit these boarder teams so we aren't just swayed by a few games of ups and downs? :) After you basically told Abe he was just a guy that likes to take the other side and he should do that Abe probably crossed the line ripping your posts but as you said you have history so that doesn't help keep the discussion civil.
Cool gets frustrated by people who take a few games and...wait so does Abe. Are you guys really so far apart? :)
We're probably not. We just write our takes in such very different ways that it probably adds to the "interesting/awkward/tedious/frustrating" dynamic.
Camden wrote:Giannis is way ahead of LaVine right now as a basketball player. There's no questioning that, but I still have hope that with another year of seasoning and a consistent role on this team as starting shooting guard that LaVine can and will close the gap a bit. The main reason why I think this is because LaVine can shoot from anywhere on the court and Giannis can't (consistently).
This is pure conjecture, but over the past month or so I've seen an uptick in LaVine's want to drive the ball to the hoop. Not only that, but he's figuring out how to finish on the left side of the rim, be it with his left hand or just rising above defenders and banking it in with two hands. Regardless of how he does it (prefer with his left hand), he is improving there from what I've seen.
He's also turning into a pretty reliable shooter (36.4% from 3P this season). That number's skewed by his super cold shooting in December (23.4%), the only month of the season that he shot below 34.5% (league average is 35.2%) from deep. If you remove December from the equation, LaVine's a 39.9% 3P shooter this year with decent volume. That's something Giannis just can't bring to the table.
I think, like Giannis did, LaVine will breakout in his third season. Just my opinion and I can't see the future, but he's progressively gotten better over the course of the season on both ends of the floor. I'd expect that trend to continue with another off-season to work on his game and his body, and also knowing that the starting SG position is his. He has a lot to build on from this year. 2015-16 was relatively good for Zach.
All you can ask of these young guys is for them to continue improving at this point.
LaVine improved during his rookie season. And he's improved in his second season. Let's hope that trend continues... along with Wiggins and Towns... and things are going to be pretty awesome around this forum.
