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Ruesse ripped the Wolves right after the draft for turning down Waiters and the #1 for Love. Would we have been better? who would you have taken with that pick?
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Oladipo with the pick. This type of discussion has already been talked about in a previous thread. Don't really see the need to bring it back up.
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You r correct of course. My mind wanders after another last second loss
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Glad we didn't make the trade, but Noel would have been the pick. He would have been able to play next to Pek and Thompson (after putting on some weight) and would have been the rim protector this team needs going into the future. You take the franchise rim protector over the solid but not really star potential Oladipo. Not to mention we would be tanking 1 more year to get another pick because Noel would be out and a Ricky/Pek/Thompson/Waiters core would not have been very good. In comes Jabari Parker and boom a Ricky/Parker/Noel/Pek core would have been great to build on going into the future.
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Sounds more interesting than what we have
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papalrep wrote:Sounds more interesting than what we have


Don't underestimate the impact of getting a consistent 25/15 every game. Waiters isn't great, Thompson is playing better but still not even half the player Love is, and Noel hasn't played yet this year, so god knows what kind of player he will be. Maybe the 3 of them combined could match Love's production?
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So we take a rim protector No. 1 overall that will come off the bench even when healthy? Yeah, no. That doesn't make sense to me, especially given how much Flip liked Oladipo. Noel would never be a starter here. It's like taking D-Will at No. 2 all over again. We'd take Dipo and likely never would have signed Martin. Could have taken Mason Plumlee or Rudy Gobert at 24 to be our rotation big off the bench (assuming the Nets took Dieng before us). Still would have had a talented enough team to compete for a playoff spot so I doubt we win a high lottery pick.

Rubio
Oladipo
Budinger
Thompson
Pekovic

Waiters
Shved
Brewer
Cunningham
Turiaf/Gobert
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How is Oladipo playing next to Ricky more logical than Noel next to Pek? You have no idea what Flip thought about Noel because we had 0 chance of getting him. Flip mentioned 1 franchise rim protector in the draft in Noel. He didn't mention Oladipo as a franchise wing. If Kevin Love wasn't on this team, he would have taken the franchise player in Noel at the 4, not the solid wing who can't shoot next to the PG who can't shoot. You bench Noel this year to tank and then you get a good pick and trade Thompson in the offseason for maybe another impact pick or player that fits. A backcourt of Ricky/Oladipo doesn't work because neither of them can shoot. That would have been a combo backcourt of 35 and 40 FG%. That is awful. This is about getting the best team long-term, not settling for the mediocrity you posted just to keep Thompson a starter. D Will was behind the best PF in the league. You'd better bet Noel would not get trapped because an average 4 with Noel being the number 2 pick and the better fit next to Pek.
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khans2k5 wrote:How is Oladipo playing next to Ricky more logical than Noel next to Pek? You have no idea what Flip thought about Noel because we had 0 chance of getting him. Flip mentioned 1 franchise rim protector in the draft in Noel. He didn't mention Oladipo as a franchise wing. If Kevin Love wasn't on this team, he would have taken the franchise player in Noel at the 4, not the solid wing who can't shoot next to the PG who can't shoot. You bench Noel this year to tank and then you get a good pick and trade Thompson in the offseason for maybe another impact pick or player that fits. A backcourt of Ricky/Oladipo doesn't work because neither of them can shoot. That would have been a combo backcourt of 35 and 40 FG%. That is awful. This is about getting the best team long-term, not settling for the mediocrity you posted just to keep Thompson a starter. D Will was behind the best PF in the league. You'd better bet Noel would not get trapped because an average 4 with Noel being the number 2 pick and the better fit next to Pek.


How is Oladipo playing next to Ricky more logical than Noel next to Pek? Plenty of reasons. Oladipo can penetrate, he's a tremendous defender, his upside is higher than Noel's, he's durable and wing players tend to have more of an impact in this league than rim protectors. Noel's a decent fit next to Pek, I'm not saying otherwise, but Dipo makes more sense as the pick.

Flip mentioned 1 franchise rim protector in the draft in Noel. He didn't mention Oladipo as a franchise wing. You must forget how highly Flip thought of Dipo. Everyone knew Flip liked him a lot. There was even a segment on ESPN during the college basketball season where Flip was an analyst and he completely raved about Dipo.

From the Star Tribune: "Saunders says Oladipo has the "It" factor, "whatever that is," he said last month.
"There's just something about him," Saunders said. "I've seen him take over a lot of Big Ten games."

Point being, Flip really liked Dipo and he should have. He's got all the tools to be an All-Star player in the future.

If Kevin Love wasn't on this team, he would have taken the franchise player in Noel at the 4, not the solid wing who can't shoot next to the PG who can't shoot. You view Noel as a franchise player? That's a laughable thing to say. He can't do anything elite except block shots. Yes, I view that as a very valuable tool, but franchise players do more than one thing at an elite level. He does one. Also, I like how you downplay Dipo as just solid. Everyone and their mother knows Dipo has the potential to be more than just solid.

You bench Noel this year to tank and then you get a good pick and trade Thompson in the offseason for maybe another impact pick or player that fits. You bench Noel this year because he's a 19 year old that already has a torn ACL. Can you say red flag!? Also, it's not as easy as you make it sound to just tank and get a high pick. Have you seen some of the other bad NBA rosters? This team post-trade would still be competing for an 8th seed, though they'd come up pretty short. Likely to get a late lottery pick, but hopefully not No. 14 because then we ship it off to Phoenix! Thanks Kahn!

A backcourt of Ricky/Oladipo doesn't work because neither of them can shoot. That would have been a combo backcourt of 35 and 40 FG%. That is awful. As it stands right now, we're playing with 35 and 41 FG% and still winning games. So there's that. Add in to the fact that I think Dipo's efficiency would be higher playing with Rubio. He's an exceptional cutter and we all know he's dangerous in transition, two areas we know Rubio thrives in.

This is about getting the best team long-term, not settling for the mediocrity you posted just to keep Thompson a starter. Hate on Thompson all you'd like, but he's still a 12/10 guy in the NBA and those don't exactly grow on trees. How much better do you view Noel's future to Thompson's current production? Noel's the more explosive athlete with better length and higher BPG, but other than that, do you see him being marginally better than Thompson? Because I don't. Oh wait, you view Noel as a franchise player. Ha.
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