Too many sub-par 3pt shooters

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

My point was that there were restrictions for Flip. With the cap space he had, he signed Martin, Bud and drafted Shabazz. Had to add some type of defensive wing/bench player and he got Brewer. I'm in defense for Flip in that first, this is his first year (new GM's get about a two-three year window), two that he didn't have much cap space to start with and three, Kahn fucked up the team with bad contracts.

[alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]]

My point was that there were restrictions for Flip. With the cap space he had, he signed Martin, Bud and drafted Shabazz. Had to add some type of defensive wing/bench player and he got Brewer. I'm in defense for Flip in that first, this is his first year (new GM's get about a two-three year window), two that he didn't have much cap space to start with and three, Kahn fucked up the team with bad contracts.

Is Brewer really that good of a defender? He was getting smoked last night by scrubs. Flip paid a guy 5 million for who cant make a layup. Overpaid Pek by about 10 million by bidding against himself somehow. Resigned a guy with bad knees. Passed on Trey Burke for bazz. Yea give Flip a pass

[kms789 [enjin:6694798]]

My point was that there were restrictions for Flip. With the cap space he had, he signed Martin, Bud and drafted Shabazz. Had to add some type of defensive wing/bench player and he got Brewer. I'm in defense for Flip in that first, this is his first year (new GM's get about a two-three year window), two that he didn't have much cap space to start with and three, Kahn fucked up the team with bad contracts.

Is Brewer really that good of a defender? He was getting smoked last night by scrubs. Flip paid a guy 5 million for who cant make a layup. Overpaid Pek by about 10 million by bidding against himself somehow. Resigned a guy with bad knees. Passed on Trey Burke for bazz. Yea give Flip a pass

Not to mention trading Derick Williams for a replica of Dante Cunningham.

[TAFKASP]

My point was that there were restrictions for Flip. With the cap space he had, he signed Martin, Bud and drafted Shabazz. Had to add some type of defensive wing/bench player and he got Brewer. I'm in defense for Flip in that first, this is his first year (new GM's get about a two-three year window), two that he didn't have much cap space to start with and three, Kahn fucked up the team with bad contracts.

The Flip side, pun intended, is he knew what he was walking into. He has the great advantage of being part owner to boot, so I think he's throwing chit at the wall in the short term in the hopes something sticks. I suspect what he doesn't say is this current disaster of a roster and cap situation is going to require a major, if not complete reboot. Outside of a major change of fortune the rest of this season I see no way Love is on this team after next years trade deadline, maybe sooner.

What else does this roster have? And aging Martin. A not young Pek. A Rubio who's value was higher on draft night even with the knowledge he may not be over for a year or two than right now. After that it's a bag full of nothing. Given the cap constraints and Love's opt out timing they have to chit (win) or get off the pot in the next 12 months or so.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

My point was that there were restrictions for Flip. With the cap space he had, he signed Martin, Bud and drafted Shabazz. Had to add some type of defensive wing/bench player and he got Brewer. I'm in defense for Flip in that first, this is his first year (new GM's get about a two-three year window), two that he didn't have much cap space to start with and three, Kahn fucked up the team with bad contracts.

Is Brewer really that good of a defender? He was getting smoked last night by scrubs. Flip paid a guy 5 million for who cant make a layup. Overpaid Pek by about 10 million by bidding against himself somehow. Resigned a guy with bad knees. Passed on Trey Burke for bazz. Yea give Flip a pass

Oh my. This is starting to get a bit uneducated. Brewer's a good defender, yes, when he isn't over-pursuing a passing lane. That's when he's at his worst. Even last night he was playing decent defense; Young and Henry were making tough shots. That's all you can ask for a defender is to make the opposition work. As a team, we were awful. Brewer and Mbah a Moute were not.

Brewer can't make a layup now? Oh boy. Yeah, he misses some easy ones here and there, but he also makes some pretty difficult ones in transition. Think the hate you have is far too strong here.

"Overpaid Pekovic by about 10 million"... Not even going to address this. I don't want to have any part of this ignorance.

We'll see about Budinger. Pretty sure EVERYBODY on this board was happy we re-signed him when we did, even for the price that we paid. He goes down with another injury and a lot of you change opinion just like that. Give me a break. Flip-floppers. Wait for him to make an impact on the court, which should be coming soon.

Passed on Trey Burke for Shabazz. I don't think that was actually his plan. Think the plan was to trade down and draft Olynyk at 14 and Dieng at 21 to sure up our backup bigs. Tell me smart guy, was taking Burke and keeping Burke the right thing to do even though we already had Rubio? Ricky was/is supposed to be our guy. Flip showed faith in his guy (Rubio). Have to think if we would have taken Burke, the intial reaction from most on here would have complete anger.

Hindsight's a bitch isn't it.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

My point was that there were restrictions for Flip. With the cap space he had, he signed Martin, Bud and drafted Shabazz. Had to add some type of defensive wing/bench player and he got Brewer. I'm in defense for Flip in that first, this is his first year (new GM's get about a two-three year window), two that he didn't have much cap space to start with and three, Kahn fucked up the team with bad contracts.

Is Brewer really that good of a defender? He was getting smoked last night by scrubs. Flip paid a guy 5 million for who cant make a layup. Overpaid Pek by about 10 million by bidding against himself somehow. Resigned a guy with bad knees. Passed on Trey Burke for bazz. Yea give Flip a pass

Not to mention trading Derick Williams for a replica of Dante Cunningham.

I'm so sorry. I forgot how high D-Will's trade value was. We definitely should have traded him for an All-Star.

The fuck? Mbah a Moute's a good piece to have on your bench and one I didn't think we could even get for D-Will. Mbah a Moute has actually been a big reason as to why the bench play has been better. Go ahead though, continue to hate the trade because you have a false reality of what Williams' value was.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

My point was that there were restrictions for Flip. With the cap space he had, he signed Martin, Bud and drafted Shabazz. Had to add some type of defensive wing/bench player and he got Brewer. I'm in defense for Flip in that first, this is his first year (new GM's get about a two-three year window), two that he didn't have much cap space to start with and three, Kahn fucked up the team with bad contracts.

The Flip side, pun intended, is he knew what he was walking into. He has the great advantage of being part owner to boot, so I think he's throwing chit at the wall in the short term in the hopes something sticks. I suspect what he doesn't say is this current disaster of a roster and cap situation is going to require a major, if not complete reboot. Outside of a major change of fortune the rest of this season I see no way Love is on this team after next years trade deadline, maybe sooner.

What else does this roster have? And aging Martin. A not young Pek. A Rubio who's value was higher on draft night even with the knowledge he may not be over for a year or two than right now. After that it's a bag full of nothing. Given the cap constraints and Love's opt out timing they have to chit (win) or get off the pot in the next 12 months or so.

I agree with the bolded section for sure. If this roster doesn't show promise over the next 20 or so, K-Love trades have to start being seriously thought about by the FO. That's the only way to re-build correctly. After Love, might as well deal Rubio and Brewer too. Martin if the price is right. I talked about this in another thread.

[markkbu [enjin:6588958]]

Some on here act as if Flip came into a bad situation. He took over a .500 ball club (if healthy) and hasn't improved it from what I see. Most new GM's understand that they have to clear some cap to provide the ability to make other moves. Most GM's don't have a player of Love's caliber when they walk in the door, or a C like Pek. From what I have observed, Flip overpaid for Pek, Bud, and Brewer, and was bidding against himself.

I would like to know if the wolves gave Bud a physical before giving him his new deal. I never heard mention of it, but Bud wasn't lighting the world on fire when he came back from injury last season. I suspect he was never healthy, and still managed to get a three year deal.

The problem as I see it, is we have a jump shooting offense without jump shooters. We have too many one dimensional players on this team, and some aren't even good at that one thing.

SJM.....you are lying and you know it. do the research, and please let everyone know the last time that the wolves had a .500 season.

[mjs34]

Markkbu, you're just too stupid to debate.



Cam, the situation that Flip stepped into was a dream compared to what most face. The team had guaranteed contracts that had us under the cap. Flip could have moved this team in several different directions. He could have leaked that we were offering Pek 8 mil a year and waited for teams to call on S&T's. He could have actually sifted through the FA's and signed a couple 3&D guys for two thirds of what he gave to Bud, and Brewer. I am sure he could have found a willing taker for JJ with only two years left on his deal. He didn't have to pick up DC's option. He had several choices with the draft pick, and chose to trade down and pick two guys that our coach has deemed "not ready". That sounds like a lot of options to me.

Flip chose to stay on the path that Kahn and Adelman had taken.

[markkbu [enjin:6588958]]

Markkbu, you're just too stupid to debate.


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LMAO......SJM......do us all a favor and let's start with simple facts.......the messed up relatity that only exists in your head is not relevant to conversations on this board.


When is the last time that the wolves had a .500 season? Let's start there and then work our way through.

Let's debate this....show SOMEONE that you are not a complete idiot.