Is Bud worth 4.5 million more than Hummel?

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

Who would want Bud right now? We're stuck with him. He probably won't even play for at least a couple more weeks, and even then probably won't be effective. I suspect we'll never see him play a full season.

I'm not necessarily down on Bud, but I agree that he is not very marketable right now, BBTT. Post-surgery Hummel was nowhere near the player he used to be, and we should expect Bud's recovery to be similar. The Wolves will likely bring him back slowly, but I think he will help us a little off the bench...even this year.

[BizarroJerry [enjin:6592520]]

You're right LST, he will contribute a little. But Kahns presents a good argument. Hummel could be a more valuable player at his significant discount if he can continue to improve. Then when Bud comes back he'll cut into Hummel's development.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Interesting question, so I went and looked at some top teams to see what they do. MIAMI has 6 players making 3.2 to 6.2 mil, 2 starters and 4 bench. CHICAGO has 3 making 3 to 7 mil, normally 1 starter but now 2 with Rose out. DENVER has 7 making 3 to 6.3 mil, with normally 2 starting but 4 now with injuries. INDY has 4 making 3 to 4.5 mil, only one starting and he jumps to 16 mil next yr (George). CLIPPERS have 4 making 3 to 6.5, with 2 starting. PORTLAND has 6 making 3 to 6.8 mil, with 3 starting. And MINNESOTA has 7 making 3 to 7.5 mil, with 3 starting.

My conclusion is that we have more invested in the 2nd unit than is normal, but not a ridiculous difference. More the problem in my mind is that we haven't gotten our money's worth from our second unit.

I feel like somebody else did a similar study recently on this very board...

http://minnesotasports.enjin.com/forum/m/15059925/viewthread/9864442-finding-value-on-wolves-anywhere

[Leado01]

OMG. Robbie has one good 4th Qt scoring 10 points, And now he's just as good as BUD? lol...We need bud more then ever on our 2nd team why even think about trading him for trash and then pray hobbie pans out....... If i were the wolves i would be looking to package JJ,Danta and shved for a scoring pg/sg and a Pf with some size and low post game...

Here's my Harumph!

[Leado01]

4-5 million dollar contracts are the easiest contracts to move - it's one of the things Khan did correctly (imo). Easy to package and be packaged for.

Also - we can spend to keep our stars but it's not like there are 12 million dollar up and comers knocking on our door.

(We could probably trade 11 $4 milltion dollar plays for Gilbert Arenas and Amare Stoudamire)

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Jesus Hummelsworth

[markkbu [enjin:6588958]]

OMG. Robbie has one good 4th Qt scoring 10 points, And now he's just as good as BUD? lol...We need bud more then ever on our 2nd team why even think about trading him for trash and then pray hobbie pans out....... If i were the wolves i would be looking to package JJ,Danta and shved for a scoring pg/sg and a Pf with some size and low post game...

Here's my Harumph!

I'll second that Harumph with a Harumph of my own.

I loved what he did last night....We needed someone to step up and he did.....he has been shooting the 3 very well lately in small quantities. He has only scored 10 points twice in his career. I hope he ends up being our sharp shooter coming off the bench, and well have to see.

We honestly have no idea what we are getting when we get Bud back. IF (and that is a big "if") Bud comes back and play like he did during his better times in Houston, then we can expect him to drop over 10 most games off the bench and possibly up to 20 on some nights. IF he can do that, it will change to nature of our team.

So Bud can have a big impact.......but we won't know what we have with him for months.

[Lipoli390]

4-5 million dollar contracts are the easiest contracts to move - it's one of the things Khan did correctly (imo). Easy to package and be packaged for.

Also - we can spend to keep our stars but it's not like there are 12 million dollar up and comers knocking on our door.

(We could probably trade 11 $4 milltion dollar plays for Gilbert Arenas and Amare Stoudamire)

Unproductive bench players on $5 million per year, 3-4 year deals are very difficult to move. You end up getting a seriously flawed player like the offensively clumsy player we got in exchange for Williams, or worse yet, you have to pay a ransom like we did when Kahn was forced to give up a 1st round pick to get the Suns to take Wes Johnson. JJ probably has pretty good trade value because he's down around $4.3 million with only one more year on his contract and because he's been a highly productive bench player on a championship team before. If Budinger comes back healthy and plays highly productive basketball off the bench for an extended period, then he'll have some value, but a lot of teams won't give up much for him because of his long-term $5 million per year deal and concerns about his knee long term. Shved's $3.2 million per year deal is more attractive to potential trading partners, but his production and play are so horrible that I can't see him commanding much if anything in return. Further, we don't have a 2014 first round pick to trade and won't be able to trade out 2015 first round pick under the CBA, which prohibits team from trading it's first round pick in two successive years.

Bottom line is that JJ is the only Wolves bench player with any meaningful trade value. Therefore, unless we trade on or more of our starters, I don't see how we can improve this team via trades. I don't even think we'd get much for Brewer or even Martin given their contracts.

So we had better hope that Budinger returns 100% healthy and plays up to the potential Adelman appears to see in him. In addition, we'd better hope that Shabazz, Shved and Dieng (or at least two of them) begin to shine by the second half of the season.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

So in addition to thinking Love isn't a star, Lip believes that Brewer and Martin don't have much trade value. Got it.

Just keeping track of some of the ridiculous things even a well-respected poster like Lip says.

[Lipoli390]

Whoops, I forgot how coveted Brewer must be. How about Brewer for Harden? Could we get a decent bench player for Brewer or Martin? Of course we could. But those two players are starters on this Wolves team!! Getting a decent bench player for either one would not be getting much. You need to read things in context, Cam. I know that might be difficult for you, but give it a try.