Is Bud worth 4.5 million more than Hummel?

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Whoops, I forgot how coveted Brewer must be. How about Brewer for Harden? Could we get a decent bench player for Brewer or Martin? Of course we could. But those two players are starters on this Wolves team!! Getting a decent bench player for either one would not be getting much. You need to read things in context, Cam. I know that might be difficult for you, but give it a try.

"Bottom line is that JJ is the only Wolves bench player with any meaningful trade value. Therefore, unless we trade on or more of our starters, I don't see how we can improve this team via trades. I don't even think we'd get much for Brewer or even Martin given their contracts."

How did I not read things in context, Lip? It's pretty straight up what you said. Looked like you started talking about trade value and referred to Barea as the only bench player with trade value, which I agree with. Then you took your post to a "I-hate-Flip-as-GM" point of view and hated on two extremely reasonable contracts. Brewer's producing like a top-10 SF right now and Martin has a strong case for top-5 SG in the game (top-10 if you're high on Thompson/Afflalo). I'd have to believe that they have pretty damn good trade value around the league depending on the team.

So yes, to me, that comment was ridiculous.

[Lipoli390]

I didn't say they were bad contracts. But $7 million a year on a 4 year deal for a very good but not great 30 year old player is not great trade value. By the way, I've complemented Flip on both the Martin and Brewer signings. I don't like the combined length and amount of their deals, but I understand that's what Flip had to pay to sign them. You must be Flip's nephew the way you react to any perceived criticism of him.

By the way, who do you think we could get for Brewer or Martin who would improve the team? That's what I mean by context. There is no sense doing a trade unless it would arguably improve the team. I don't see a realistic deal for either one that would improve this team. Hence, I don't see either one having much trade value. If either one had a shorter term or smaller annual contract, then we could probably get better players in return. In contrast, we could trade Barea to a contender needing a back-up PG and possibly get a better scoring SG for our second unit, which would likely improve our team overall since Price can slide in as our second unit's PG.

[Squishypoo [enjin:6648839]]

I didn't say they were bad contracts. But $7 million a year on a 4 year deal for a very good but not great 30 year old player is not great trade value. By the way, I've complemented Flip on both the Martin and Brewer signings. I don't like the combined length and amount of their deals, but I understand that's what Flip had to pay to sign them. You must be Flip's nephew the way you react to any perceived criticism of him.


I would have to disagree with you lip.. 6.5M or 7M a year for a proven player that has no problem getting 18-20+ PPG is a pretty sweet deal IMO it would be a nice trade chip..

[mjs34]

So in addition to thinking Love isn't a star, Lip believes that Brewer and Martin don't have much trade value. Got it.

Just keeping track of some of the ridiculous things even a well-respected poster like Lip says.

This is kind of funny coming from the guy that was ready to cut bait on the team if they lost the next game two weeks back!

[AbeVigodaLive]

4-5 million dollar contracts are the easiest contracts to move - it's one of the things Khan did correctly (imo). Easy to package and be packaged for.

Also - we can spend to keep our stars but it's not like there are 12 million dollar up and comers knocking on our door.

(We could probably trade 11 $4 milltion dollar plays for Gilbert Arenas and Amare Stoudamire)

Unproductive bench players on $5 million per year, 3-4 year deals are very difficult to move. You end up getting a seriously flawed player like the offensively clumsy player we got in exchange for Williams, or worse yet, you have to pay a ransom like we did when Kahn was forced to give up a 1st round pick to get the Suns to take Wes Johnson.

I agree with the bold part. $4 or $5 million isn't that much (context) for a team to give up much of value in return. The Wes Johnson trade was a horrific trade. Just fucking terrible. In a long line of terrible Timberwolves transactions, that one has shot to near the top of the list.

The Wolves gave up the player AND 1st rd. draft pick. Even now, I have to read that again to make sure it really happened...

I'm a mild-mannered guy, but just thinking about that ear-wax-eating pompous ass of a former GM gets me riled up a bit. And that's on Taylor. This organization could very well feel the aftershock from that hire for many years...

[BizarroJerry [enjin:6592520]]

And just to torture you Abe, Wes is shooting 45% 3 pointers and lead the Lakers in blocks and steals during Kobe's stead.

[AbeVigodaLive]

And just to torture you Abe, Wes is shooting 45% 3 pointers and lead the Lakers in blocks and steals during Kobe's stead.

Johnson isn't a good player. He is very limited in what he can do. But he has SOME value on a team. So to give that up AND the draft pick... what a fucking disaster.

[mjs34]

And just to torture you Abe, Wes is shooting 45% 3 pointers and lead the Lakers in blocks and steals during Kobe's stead.

Johnson isn't a good player. He is very limited in what he can do. But he has SOME value on a team. So to give that up AND the draft pick... what a fucking disaster.

Don't we have to put some of this on Adelman as well? He gave Kahn "the list" of players he wanted gone, so I assume Wes was on that list. I wasn't a Wes fan, but he had some ability defensively. Once again, the young player never developed offensively and likely regressed under Adelman.

[AbeVigodaLive]

And just to torture you Abe, Wes is shooting 45% 3 pointers and lead the Lakers in blocks and steals during Kobe's stead.

Johnson isn't a good player. He is very limited in what he can do. But he has SOME value on a team. So to give that up AND the draft pick... what a fucking disaster.

Don't we have to put some of this on Adelman as well? He gave Kahn "the list" of players he wanted gone, so I assume Wes was on that list. I wasn't a Wes fan, but he had some ability defensively. Once again, the young player never developed offensively and likely regressed under Adelman.

I know you like to rip Adelman. But unless he made the actual decision... no. Not at all.

Kahn is accountable for that trade. He was the GM. Adelman is the coach.

[mjs34]

And just to torture you Abe, Wes is shooting 45% 3 pointers and lead the Lakers in blocks and steals during Kobe's stead.

Johnson isn't a good player. He is very limited in what he can do. But he has SOME value on a team. So to give that up AND the draft pick... what a fucking disaster.

Don't we have to put some of this on Adelman as well? He gave Kahn "the list" of players he wanted gone, so I assume Wes was on that list. I wasn't a Wes fan, but he had some ability defensively. Once again, the young player never developed offensively and likely regressed under Adelman.

I know you like to rip Adelman. But unless he made the actual decision... no. Not at all.

Kahn is accountable for that trade. He was the GM. Adelman is the coach.

Do you really think it was that black and white. From the press conference I watched when Adelman came aboard, I think it was pretty clear that Kahn's new directive was to do what Adelman asked. Not thinking Adelman had a say in it, is absurd.