Mchale vs Kahn

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WildWolf2813 wrote:McHale would be worse in that while we wouldn't have been 15-67 bad, we'd be a permanent treadmill squad. His vision of old school smashmouth basketball just doesn't work.

Why are assuming he was gonna go on a nice run with picks when McHale has never done that AND he thought that the Foye /Jefferson team coulda won 44 games? If anything, we'd be seeing what we're seeing now from Flip: lack of interest in developing youth



You'd think that as a coach, McHale has SOME say in how his team plays.

Because the Rockets and the way they play... definitely counter the "old school smashmouth" tag you put on McHale. The Rockets are leading the charge in one of the new ways to play offensively in the NBA:

1. 3 pointers
2. layups
3. free throws

There aren't many post-ups. And long 2 pointers are not just frowned upon, they're basically considered the "Devil's shot." What I'm trying to say is that McHale may be less stuck in the past than a lot of people realize.
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Ha Ha yea Mchale would of made all the right draft picks and moves according to people on here unbelievable. This is the guy who yea drafted kg but also the guy who couldn't surround him with any talent better then wally Z for 10 years. Oh and he also traded him for the poo poo plater from Boston.
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Lost a bunch of draft picks trying to sign JOE SMITH!!! under the table, the equivalent of trying to sign dante under the table.

Drafted studs like will avery, ndi ebi, loren woods, rashard mccants.

traded away ray allen on draft night.

throwing away money on guys like troy hudson, the khandi man, rasho, ricky davis.

Yea we would sooo much better with that guy running the show. Take away KG and we'd be one of the worst franchises in sports
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sam cassell and a 1st rounder! for Jaric!
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alex...

I don't think anybody here is saying McHale would do a "good" job. He was by and large... an atrocious GM. I remember arguing that he was even worse than Isiah Thomas at one point.

BUT... it's all relative.

He mixed in just enough good or decent things amid all the crap... that he beats out David Kahn who will go down in the annals of NBA history as one of the worst and most reviled GMs of all time.
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Well put, Abe. On behalf of McHale, I'll note the following impressive achievements:

1. Drafted 3 NBA allstars - KG, Wally Z and Kevin Love without a top 3 pick

2. Drafted Pekovic in the 2nd round

3. Acquired Cassell and Spree and built a team that made the Western Conference finals after a string of 50+ win seasons.

McHale made a lot of mistakes and was not a great GM by any stretch. But Kahn wasn't even in his league. Of course that says more about Kahn than McHale.
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:alex...

I don't think anybody here is saying McHale would do a "good" job. He was by and large... an atrocious GM. I remember arguing that he was even worse than Isiah Thomas at one point.

BUT... it's all relative.

He mixed in just enough good or decent things amid all the crap... that he beats out David Kahn who will go down in the annals of NBA history as one of the worst and most reviled GMs of all time.



Abe summarizes well why i voted "better". It is not that i think that McHale would have done well.......it is more that I think that Kahn did very poorly.
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alexftbl8181 wrote:Ha Ha yea Mchale would of made all the right draft picks and moves according to people on here unbelievable. This is the guy who yea drafted kg but also the guy who couldn't surround him with any talent better then wally Z for 10 years. Oh and he also traded him for the poo poo plater from Boston.
off the top of my head-
Lost a bunch of draft picks trying to sign JOE SMITH!!! under the table, the equivalent of trying to sign dante under the table.

Drafted studs like will avery, ndi ebi, loren woods, rashard mccants.

traded away ray allen on draft night.

throwing away money on guys like troy hudson, the khandi man, rasho, ricky davis.

Yea we would sooo much better with that guy running the show. Take away KG and we'd be one of the worst franchises in sports



Not to pile on here, but the thread did say better.

And seriously, on a night where Patty Mills, drafted only 27 spots after Wayne Ellington and only FORTY-NINE spots after Johnny Flynn, goes for 20 on the road against a good team, you have the nerve to mention LOREN EFFING WOODS?!?!?!??!?!

Loren Woods was the 46th pick in his particular draft. He played two years as a backup and then left, where he spent the next 10 or so years as a backup/CBA/overseas guy. The only guy taken after him who had anything close to the same success was the straight Collins twin. If you are honestly going to blame GM's for this type of move, and I'm assuming that you also blame NFL GM's for their 7th round picks and MLB GM's for their 10th round (or later) picks, you might as well just stop following sports, because you are going to be absolutely miserable.

As far as Mccants, you are half right. He listened to Rex Chapman, who had accomplished nothing before and nothing since as a personnel guy, who told him to draft Mccants. As far as Rasho, he did THE EXACT OPPOSITE of throwing money at him. They allowed him to walk away and he signed with San Antonio, who then unloaded him on Toronto.

And last but not least: You are the only "Wolves fan" I know who blames Mchale for the Joe Smith incident. Everyone else I talk to places him about 4th or 5th, behind FLEISCHER (who {IS RUMORED TO HAVE} ratted everyone out because Joe Smith didn't pay him his fee), Taylor, and Smith himself, and some even give Flop more blame.

Don't be ashamed to run your posts by someone before you type them in.
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I contend that KG is every bit of player as Duncan was and even a bit better. The big difference has always been Duncan got surrounded by guys like Manu, Parker, Robinson, Lenord, Horry, Ellie, Avery Johnson list goes on and on. Kg got surrounded by guys who got to play major minutes in playoffs like Troy Hudson, Gary Trent, Dean Garret, Reggie Slater, Joe Smith. It is borderline criminal the players he surrounded a 10 ten talent ever with. Sure Mchale gave him ONE YEAR of a championship roster and absolutely bungled it the year after. Then trading KG in a buddy buddy deal with the celtics and couldn't even get Rondo out of the deal. What did the Celtics go on to do that year? Oh win the title.

KG always got the rap of being a guy who couldn't win and ever get out of the first round. The real story is that theres very few players who could of brought those rosters to 50 wins year after year.

Khan has some kind of excuse with all the historically bad injuries. Mchale has none. KG hardly missed any time. Only real injury excuse was Cassell missing the WCF.

Anything that Mchale looks like he might of did well is because KG. KG carried the franchise but couldn't overcome the worst GM of all time
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alexftbl8181 wrote:

Khan has some kind of excuse with all the historically bad injuries.




HEHEHEHE...what "excuse" does khan have for hiring rambis? (the worst coaches ever in the NBA.) Or are you blaming those terrible years on injuries also?
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markkbu wrote:
alexftbl8181 wrote:

Khan has some kind of excuse with all the historically bad injuries.




HEHEHEHE...what "excuse" does khan have for hiring rambis? (the worst coaches ever in the NBA.) Or are you blaming those terrible years on injuries also?



32 - 132. Worst record in NBA history from any coach who made it through two entire seasons without getting fired.
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