Wolves vs.Clippers II

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Bayou Wolf wrote:Objectively, it was incredible to just watch CP3 take over the game. He imposed his will and scored 11 of 13 points over one stretch. He saw his team needed it, and he killed our momentum. That is what we don't have. (aside from CP3 himself).


Bayou - You nailed it. Championship contenders always have an elite player like Paul who can take over a game creating their own shot off the dribble. The Wolves don't have that sort of player on their roster. Until they do,the Wolves will do no more than chase the 8th, 7th or maybe the 6th seed in the West.
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lipoli390 wrote:
Bayou Wolf wrote:Objectively, it was incredible to just watch CP3 take over the game. He imposed his will and scored 11 of 13 points over one stretch. He saw his team needed it, and he killed our momentum. That is what we don't have. (aside from CP3 himself).


Bayou - You nailed it. Championship contenders always have an elite player like Paul who can take over a game creating their own shot off the dribble. The Wolves don't have that sort of player on their roster. Until they do,the Wolves will do no more than chase the 8th, 7th or maybe the 6th seed in the West.


IF that is true, what do the Wolves do? Trade Love and Ricky. Trade Pek. Trade K-Mart. Blow it all up and start again?
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lipoli390 wrote:
Bayou Wolf wrote:Objectively, it was incredible to just watch CP3 take over the game. He imposed his will and scored 11 of 13 points over one stretch. He saw his team needed it, and he killed our momentum. That is what we don't have. (aside from CP3 himself).


Bayou - You nailed it. Championship contenders always have an elite player like Paul who can take over a game creating their own shot off the dribble. The Wolves don't have that sort of player on their roster. Until they do,the Wolves will do no more than chase the 8th, 7th or maybe the 6th seed in the West.


I agree with you guys on this.....and that is the biggest thing that I took away from last night's game. Paul imposed his will on us in the last 7 minutes or so. We couldn't stop him and we didn't have anyone that could match him.

Maybe we need to put Brewer on him in the future. With those long arms, he might be able to do more than Rubio.
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markkbu wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
Bayou Wolf wrote:Objectively, it was incredible to just watch CP3 take over the game. He imposed his will and scored 11 of 13 points over one stretch. He saw his team needed it, and he killed our momentum. That is what we don't have. (aside from CP3 himself).


Bayou - You nailed it. Championship contenders always have an elite player like Paul who can take over a game creating their own shot off the dribble. The Wolves don't have that sort of player on their roster. Until they do,the Wolves will do no more than chase the 8th, 7th or maybe the 6th seed in the West.


I agree with you guys on this.....and that is the biggest thing that I took away from last night's game. Paul imposed his will on us in the last 7 minutes or so. We couldn't stop him and we didn't have anyone that could match him.

Maybe we need to put Brewer on him in the future. With those long arms, he might be able to do more than Rubio.


I'm guessing you're trying to get a reaction from Lip since he has gone on and on in the past about Brewer having short arms lol. Plus Rubio's wingspan is relatively long actually.
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Camden wrote:
markkbu wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
Bayou Wolf wrote:Objectively, it was incredible to just watch CP3 take over the game. He imposed his will and scored 11 of 13 points over one stretch. He saw his team needed it, and he killed our momentum. That is what we don't have. (aside from CP3 himself).


Bayou - You nailed it. Championship contenders always have an elite player like Paul who can take over a game creating their own shot off the dribble. The Wolves don't have that sort of player on their roster. Until they do,the Wolves will do no more than chase the 8th, 7th or maybe the 6th seed in the West.


I agree with you guys on this.....and that is the biggest thing that I took away from last night's game. Paul imposed his will on us in the last 7 minutes or so. We couldn't stop him and we didn't have anyone that could match him.

Maybe we need to put Brewer on him in the future. With those long arms, he might be able to do more than Rubio.


I'm guessing you're trying to get a reaction from Lip since he has gone on and on in the past about Brewer having short arms lol. Plus Rubio's wingspan is relatively long actually.


Cam, I'd hate to think that you would miss the blatantly obvious. :thumb:

I was serious about putting Brewer on Paul though, should Paul ever start to do that again. Brewer is easily the closest thing that we have to a shutdown defender.
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markkbu wrote:

I was serious about putting Brewer on Paul though, should Paul ever start to do that again. Brewer is easily the closest thing that we have to a shutdown defender.


Putting Brewer on Paul would have had zero effect last night. Rubio is the better man defender, and Paul wasn't beating Ricky, he was using a pick to get his shot off. That is mostly on Pek, and our defensive scheme. Brewer's D was actually pretty bad last night as well.
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Camden wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
Bayou Wolf wrote:Objectively, it was incredible to just watch CP3 take over the game. He imposed his will and scored 11 of 13 points over one stretch. He saw his team needed it, and he killed our momentum. That is what we don't have. (aside from CP3 himself).


Bayou - You nailed it. Championship contenders always have an elite player like Paul who can take over a game creating their own shot off the dribble. The Wolves don't have that sort of player on their roster. Until they do,the Wolves will do no more than chase the 8th, 7th or maybe the 6th seed in the West.


IF that is true, what do the Wolves do? Trade Love and Ricky. Trade Pek. Trade K-Mart. Blow it all up and start again?


Yes the Wolves need another player or two who can create their own shots. But lets not go overboard here, if Love hits 40% of his shots the Wolves win. Hell, if the Wolves simply hit their free throws at their average they win the game. A rested Clippers team playing the Wolves once again on the second night of back to back games in which they had to travel and they needed a super human effort on Paul's part to win.
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interesting to blame Pek for paul dominating the end of the game.
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SJM is right. Ricky is our beat defender and was the right guy to have on Chris Paul. Ricky kept Paul under control for three quarters. The Clippers did a good job setting picks for Paul in the 4th and also got away with several blatant moving screens. But beyond that is this fact: In the NBA, a great offensive player will always beat a great defender on-on-one. If we were going to stop Paul down the stretch. It would of had to be through team defense. But the Clippers have a lot of weapons, so any help defense on Paul would have been very risky.

All this takes me back to my initial point -- that we don't have a star who can take over a game on the offensive end. The Clippers have Paul who can do that. The Spurs have Parker. The Thunder have both Durant and Westbrook to do that. The Rockets have Harden. The Warriors have Curry. Even the Blazers have the makings of such a player in Lillard. Yes, the Wolves would have won last night if Love had hit 40% of his shots. But the fact is he didn't. And to be fair to Love, he doesn't have the talent to create his own shot. Someone else has to get him the ball in the right spot for him to score or he has to get the ball in position to score through his own rebound.

As to what we need to do, I would say we need to blow it up or trade Love or Ricky. Our front office needs to make smart decisions and find someone via the draft or a trade in the next year.
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lipoli390 wrote:SJM is right. Ricky is our beat defender and was the right guy to have on Chris Paul. Ricky kept Paul under control for three quarters. The Clippers did a good job setting picks for Paul in the 4th and also got away with several blatant moving screens. But beyond that is this fact: In the NBA, a great offensive player will always beat a great defender on-on-one. If we were going to stop Paul down the stretch. It would of had to be through team defense. But the Clippers have a lot of weapons, so any help defense on Paul would have been very risky.

All this takes me back to my initial point -- that we don't have a star who can take over a game on the offensive end. The Clippers have Paul who can do that. The Spurs have Parker. The Thunder have both Durant and Westbrook to do that. The Rockets have Harden. The Warriors have Curry. Even the Blazers have the makings of such a player in Lillard. Yes, the Wolves would have won last night if Love had hit 40% of his shots. But the fact is he didn't. And to be fair to Love, he doesn't have the talent to create his own shot. Someone else has to get him the ball in the right spot for him to score or he has to get the ball in position to score through his own rebound.

As to what we need to do, I would say we need to blow it up or trade Love or Ricky. Our front office needs to make smart decisions and find someone via the draft or a trade in the next year.


Wanna know what's interesting? I feel like Brandon Jennings (a guy I don't really like) would have done really well with the Wolves. We could use his ability to create his own shot. We have the bigs to gobble up rebounds and Martin's as good of a catch and shoot guy in the league. It's all about fit in this league. Doesn't matter though. He's chucking in Detroit.

What team would even want Rubio that could make a fair offer? All hypothetical. I love Ricky, but I like discussions.
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