2013 Offseason Assessment of Flip

[Monster]

I'll comment on GS and Denver but more about what they did in the offseason. GS added Iggy and lost a couple really good guys in Landry and Jack. They still probably ended up about even, but if Lee gets hurt they don't have a guy like Landry to just plug in at PF. This is another team with injury issues with a few of its best players.

Denver lost Iggy and a couple other solid guys, but reloaded abit and they have some young guys that could step up. I think they aren't as good as they were last year becasue Iggy is gone. We could maybe pass them up now but we will see.

One team I think had a fantastic offseason was the Kings. They added a defensive SF, a SG of the future, a pass first PG that really makes sense with alot of the guys they have on that team AND a Legit PF in Landry all while only losing Tyreke Evans which I don't think was a big loss especially when they got something in return. Its not like they are contenders or even a playoff team, but they have a legit shot of being something worth watching which hasn't been the case for a while. Thats a heck of an offseason.

[WildWolf2813]

I LOVE what Flip did during the draft for the most part. BIG fan of Muhammad and especially Dieng. What really upset me was that Flip spoke about that draft with regret, and that just told me that Flip doesn't know what he's doing and that he accidentally had a good draft.

Signing Martin was an Adelman approved move. In the short term, he'll be fine. My issue is that I think we signed Martin to be someone that he really isn't anymore. He's not the 20+ ppg scorer he used to be and I think some of us want him to be that reliable 2nd scorer. I just don't think he'll be that, and while his shooting is very good, I'll always be skeptical of shooting specialists that come here and then don't shoot well anymore. That's a bigger issue and something best reserved for another thread, but that's something to keep an eye out for going forward.

We kinda overpaid for Budinger but that's OK. He'll be fine here.

Turiaf is irrelevant to me. He's a good locker room guy. That's all. I guess that helps, but on the court, I hope I won't have to see him much.

Not trading Williams was a killer. Whether his value was high or low, he should have been gone. They might as well decline his option because his value will only continue to plummet. He should have gotten something, ANYTHING for him, and now will never have any shot of being able to get PT here, let alone consistent PT. I'd rather him go somewhere else and try to salvage his career instead of letting him rot here. He's an somewhat asset turned liability.

The Corey Brewer signing is a flat out disaster and I agree with Q wholeheartedly, especially when you have guys like Mbah a Moute going for 2016 2nd rounders. I said in the old forum, less smiles, more scowls. Brewer is the antithesis of this.

Losing AK isn't what's bothering me. It's Flip's indifference to AK, period. That annoyed me. At least if AK left, give Shabazz a chance. Instead, Flip did everything in his power to a) do what Kurt Rambis did to our team which was basically stop having Shabazz do the only thing he does well and b) not play him and hide it under a BS excuse of "not putting pressure on him." If Golden State can trot young guy after young guy and get to the semi finals, why can't this team develop and trust their young guys? This has been a systematic problem with this organization since day 1, and in a way, it tells me that if we had guys like Harrison Barnes, we'd do this to them too, which when you step back and think about it, is really ridiculous.

Flip gets a C- in my book, because he did nothing to settle my fears of him, and in a weird way if Kahn was GM, he would have a better offseason.

[Monster]

I think your take on Williams is somewhat valid, but like I have said in a couple threads we have no clue what is expected or what to expect from Williams this year. Is he really getting a shot to play SF this year or what? I think the answer is yes it just makes too much sense and thats a reason as to why Flip was so indifferent to AK. thats my speculation and like I said I don't think anyone here actually knows what the plan is for Williams. I am not that high on him, but I am also glad we didn't just dump him either. I think he still has a chance to be a worthwhile player and even has a chance to do it at SF which is the spot we really need a legit starter at the way the team is comprised and really even if AK stayed we would have hoped to find a SF for the future anyway.

"The Corey Brewer signing is a flat out disaster and I agree with Q wholeheartedly, especially when you have guys like Mbah a Moute going for 2016 2nd rounders. I said in the old forum, less smiles, more scowls. Brewer is the antithesis of this."

I'd like clarification to what you mean by this because Brewer isn't smiley on the court he is pretty intense.

I loved your take on how we seem to not be able to develop young guys. I do think Adelman can be part of that solution because he is a legit coach thats had lots of young talent develop on his watch over the years.

[WildWolf2813]

"The Corey Brewer signing is a flat out disaster and I agree with Q wholeheartedly, especially when you have guys like Mbah a Moute going for 2016 2nd rounders. I said in the old forum, less smiles, more scowls. Brewer is the antithesis of this."

I'd like clarification to what you mean by this because Brewer isn't smiley on the court he is pretty intense.

I loved your take on how we seem to not be able to develop young guys. I do think Adelman can be part of that solution because he is a legit coach thats had lots of young talent develop on his watch over the years.

I can remember many a night seeing the Wolves get blown out and just seeing Corey on the bench yukking it up. After a while it was hard to look at. Corey's the type of guy that plays the same way whether the team is good or bad. If you're good like Denver was, Corey not playing well doesn't bother you as much. When your team is as bad as we were, it got very annoying to watch him play because his weaknesses stick out more.

Think of it like this. What were his expectations once he came here? To be a shut down defender who could do a little bit of everything to make up for his inability to shoot. He didn't live up to that.

He's coming back to be what? A shut down defender who could do a little bit of everything to make up for his inability to shoot. What's going to make him live up to his expectation now?

[TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]]

Best move was signing Ronny Turiaf and next best was drafting Dieng.

[Lipoli390]

World --

I've listened to all the funkadelics. Flip never said or even suggested he offered AK a 3-year, $21 million deal. If anything he suggested the opposite. All the reports say an offer was never made. Listening to everything Flip has said about AK since replacing Kahn and reading all the reports, it is crystal clear Flip did not want AK back.

Also, Kahn did not promise AK a 3-year, $30 million deal. That makes no sense. AK wanted a longer term deal and was willing to give up the one year at $10 million to get more money on a longer guaranteed deal. Kahn was ready to deal and the end result this summer tells us AK couldn't expect more than $7 million per year.

What AK didn't expect was Flip having no genuine interest in re-signing him. Flip had a vision and, rightly or wrongly, it did not include AK.

[Lipoli390]

My problem with Brewer is this false expectation that he'll be a defensive stopper as a starting SF. Brewer can be a good ball thief, but he's nothing close to a defensive stopper. He's never been a great one-on-one defender and that has generally been against opposing 2nd Units. At 185 pounds with a small 6'8 wingspan he is especially ill-equipped to guard SFs, but that is who he'll have to guard playing along side the equally thin, defensively challenged Martin.

Flip has rounded out the team as a team built to score. And it's built to score off the pass since Flip failed to add any starting caliber players who can create their own shot off the dribble. As for defense? I don't see much defense in the Wolves likely starting line up or off the bench. I think we're a 47/48-win 6th, 7th or 8th seed that gets knocked out in the first round. I guess that's progress. But it gets worse longer term as the already frail one-dimensional Kevin Martin turns 31 this season and continues to age over the course of his 4-year deal.

[worldK]

World --

I've listened to all the funkadelics. Flip never said or even suggested he offered AK a 3-year, $21 million deal. If anything he suggested the opposite. All the reports say an offer was never made. Listening to everything Flip has said about AK since replacing Kahn and reading all the reports, it is crystal clear Flip did not want AK back.

Also, Kahn did not promise AK a 3-year, $30 million deal. That makes no sense. AK wanted a longer term deal and was willing to give up the one year at $10 million to get more money on a longer guaranteed deal. Kahn was ready to deal and the end result this summer tells us AK couldn't expect more than $7 million per year.

What AK didn't expect was Flip having no genuine interest in re-signing him. Flip had a vision and, rightly or wrongly, it did not include AK.

Lip, could you have misread what i wrote? Because i clearly says the same things and we actually agree on this ak situation. Put it simply,flip didnt want ak anymore.

Its maelstorm that actually says he heard flip offer ak 3yr 21m pver the radio and the kahn offer. Ive said all along that the 3yr 21m offer is something we here on the forums here speculatea or is what we are willing to give ak and not something that flip actually offered.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Some of you have very little faith in this team and it puzzles me. There's no arguing it anymore, though, because your negativity will continue until the Wolves prove you wrong. I just don't get it. It's like we're seeing two completely different basketball teams. You'd think we were the damn Milwaukee Bucks with the way some of you talk.

[60WinTim]

I also think too many people are jumping the gun putting Brewer in the starting lineup. Brewer was pretty effective as a high energy guy off the bench in Denver. I would not be surprised if he continued that role here. I would pencil Bud in as the starting SF, with D-Will having an opportunity to beat him out.