interesting info on a possible trade here:

[Mstermisty [enjin:6864008]]

http://72.32.131.210/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=252951&sid=e895678d5f13b808f7a2aa921767a09f

I don't post on Rube chat but will check it out now and then for the rare instance someone posts something of value. I really hope the deal outlined above has some legs to it--I'd love to see Turner on this team.

D-Will has shown slow but steady improvement, but I don't see him breaking out, he's not a great fit on this team, and his trade value could very well decline if he doesn't get minutes (especially when Bud returns I could see him riding pine). Hopefully this deal can happen.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Wolves: Evan Turner, Jeffrey Taylor

Bobcats: D-Will, Barea, Chris Johnson

76ers: Ben Gordon, Bismack Biyombo, 1st round pick (via CHA)

So we would likely keep Price and use him like Barea I'd assume. Brewer moves to off the bench. Turner starts at SF. I also really like Taylor. Hope this deal happens. Sota gets two really good, young wings.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

PG: Rubio/Shved/Price
SG: Martin/Brewer/Muhammad
SF: Turner/Budinger/Taylor
PF: Love/Cunningham/Hummel
C: Pekovic/Turiaf/Dieng

That's extremely balanced. Three deep at every position. I can't be the only one wanting this to happen. Would put some pressure on Shved/Price to be that backup PG behind Rubio, but they know Price better than we do.

[60WinTim]

Umm... Evan Turner is a very mediocre player at this point. More mediocre than Derrick Williams. Some might consider him a bigger bust than D-Will.

So why would he start?

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Umm... Evan Turner is a very mediocre player at this point. More mediocre than Derrick Williams. Some might consider him a bigger bust than D-Will.

So why would he start?

13 PPG, 6 RPG, 4 APG, 1 SPG. Shooting % of 42/37/74. Yeah, his numbers don't WOW anybody, but he is a stat stuffer who has a decent all-around game. Wouldn't say he's more mediocre than D-Will, but his ceiling is lower than D-Will's for sure. His floor is higher than D-Will's however and seems to be the better fit for this team. If he's on this team, he'd be the starting SF I'd have to believe. Brewer is better off the bench.

I'm assuming you'd hate this trade then, yeah?

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

There's also this: http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/76ers/2013/10/14/philadelphia-76ers-evan-turner-nba-preseason/2984925/

I love Turner's attitude. Tell me we couldn't use a player like him.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

I don't understand how Turner is a good fit. He's not a very good shooter and needs the ball in his hands to reach his true effectiveness. His stats all scream mediocre and he is probably best suited as a lead playmaker of the second unit at this point in his career. Ricky and Turner are very poor fits when on the court at the same time. You pretty much need shooters around Ricky until he can become a more consistent jump shooter and Turner doesn't fit that mold right now. Also, Turner's deal is up after this year. If he does play well, he'll get priced right off our team. It's a lose-lose in my eyes. He either does well and we can't afford him, or he doesn't fit and we just traded him away for a younger player who could probably net a better contract than an expiring.

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

I understand your concerns about Turner not being the right fit here, khans, but the real issue is: is he a better fit here than Williams. And the answer to that is yes. I see them as fairly equal in shooting and rebounding, but Turner is far better than Williams in ball handling and playmaking. I like Derrick, but he will always be a ball stopper. It's not a selfishness issue, it's just that he has never appeared comfortable within an offensive flow. And that just isn't going to work as long as Adelman is coaching. With a non-passing center like Pek a fixture in the starting lineup, Rick cannot afford to have another non-facilitator at SF for his offense to work the way he wants it to, and that's where Turner's 4.3 assists per game look quite attractive. If the deal gets made, I don't know if Turner replaces Brewer in the starting lineup, but I would argue that he should...he is a significant upgrade to Brewer in rebounding and distribution, and relatively equal in shooting and defense.

I saw a lot to like in Williams last year, but Adelman was playing him only because he had to. It's painful to hear Rick talk about Derrick, because it is clear that he is just not Adelman's kind of player. You can tell Rick doesn't like his motor, doesn't think he helps the offensive flow, and isn't sure he can guard SFs. I like Williams better right now than Muhammad as Brewer's backup, and I like him better than Cunningham as Love's backup, and if I were coaching he would be getting 20 minutes off the bench at both positions. But I don't think Adelman sees it that way, and barring injuries, Williams is destined for a lot of DNPs and mop-up time. Yes, Turner isn't perfect, but I would trade Williams for him in a heartbeat, because I believe it immediately improves us at our weakest position...small forward.

Having said all that, I don't see this deal happening. A straight up swap with Philly doesn't make sense to me from their perspective, and I don't understand why charlotte would participate in the rumored 3-way deal. I hope it happens, but I predict Williams starts the season as a T-wolf.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Well, the contracts match for Philly and they could feel that D-Will has more potential than Turner, and they'd be right. They also could have young, D-Will and Noel frontcourt if they decided to let D-Will be a PF. Philly needs talent.

In the three team trade, Philly would get back a first round pick to help the rebuilding process. Honestly don't see how Minnesota would be able to get Turner and Taylor, but that would be great. Also, why would the Bobcats want Barea? So there's some question marks in the rumored deal, but the bulk of it makes sense in Turner coming here, D-Will to Charlotte and a pick to Philly. It's the extra details that need more work.

[60WinTim]

Wow! I just listened to last Friday's Funkadelic. There are a lot of tea leaves to be read!

Sounds like the initial plan for Brewer was 6th man. But the Budinger injury waylaid that plan.

And the talk about Williams is not very positive. While I expect his option to be picked up, I'm not sure he'll be with the Wolves very long at all.

Oh, and I have no problem trading D-Will for Turner. I just don't see Turner doing anything special here.