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Andrew Wiggins
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Timberwolves rookie Andrew Wiggins is averaging 13.9 points and 4.2 rebounds this season.
ESPN Insider's Chad Ford and Kevin Pelton return to provide the kind of discussions that are happening in front offices around the NBA -- where scouts and statistical experts are breaking down NBA draft prospects using their "eyes, ears and numbers."
Minnesota Timberwolves rookie Andrew Wiggins plays Wednesday night on ESPN (9:30 ET). Ford ranked him No. 1 on his final Big Board of 2014 and he ended up being the No. 1 pick.
Question: We're 33 games into the season. Was Wiggins the right selection with the No. 1 pick?
Chad Ford: I think so. Wiggins, Jabari Parker and Joel Embiid were the only three real choices for the No. 1 pick. Embiid would have likely topped our final Big Board had he not broken his foot during pre-draft workouts. Combine that with the back problems he suffered toward the end of the season and he was just too risky to take at No. 1.
Parker was more polished -- the sure thing. But I always believed, and most scouts agreed, that Wiggins had more upside. When you are drafting No. 1, you aren't just thinking about a player's rookie season; you are thinking about who he'll be in five years, and Wiggins had a much higher ceiling, in my opinion.
I think Wiggins has proved a couple of things. One, he wasn't as far behind Parker as people thought in terms of NBA readiness. He's playing 32 minutes a night, averaging 14 points per game and 20 PPG over his past six games. Two, all of the upside things we saw at Kansas are showing up at times in the NBA: the explosive leaping ability, the unique quickness, the defensive abilities.
He might have gotten off to a slow start, but over the past few weeks Wiggins has looked like the potential superstar I believed he could be. If the draft were held again right now, I think virtually every team in the league would take him No. 1.
I know the numbers have been fairly brutal to Wiggins in the early going, Kevin. Have they been improving lately?
Kevin Pelton: Certainly true on both counts. Wiggins still has the most negative wins above replacement player (WARP) in the league at 1.5, a product of his heavy playing time in combination with below-replacement play.
But that masks the real improvement Wiggins has made over the last few weeks. Really, it seems like the turning point was Shabazz Muhammad moving into the starting lineup after the Corey Brewer trade. Before that took place, opponents could use the bigger wing defender on Wiggins. Now, because Muhammad is such a physical wing, those players are defending him. That's given Wiggins a size and strength advantage over most opponents, which has allowed him to get down on the post for better looks.
Andrew Wiggins' performance, pre- and post- Muhammad starting
PERIOD WIN% WARP USG TS% 2P% 3P% FTA% REB% AST% TO%
Before .301 -1.7 .219 .470 .400 .364 .119 7.3 1.9 .137
After .448 0.2 .219 .529 .474 .412 .110 8.2 2.2 .078
Comparing Wiggins' statistics since the lineup change, his 2-point percentage has improved dramatically, and he's cut way down on his turnovers. He's been playing at an above-replacement level, and that's with little help from the Timberwolves' point guards since Ricky Rubio is out of the lineup. If this progress is real, then Wiggins is absolutely ahead of Parker. This type of performance is better than his projected stats coming out of Kansas -- though how he played in the first month and a half of season was worse than expected.
Q: How does Wiggins compare to projections entering the draft?
Pelton: I'm curious, Chad. When we discussed Wiggins last season, we swapped comparisons for him at the NBA level. Mine has changed. Wiggins hasn't ended up very Luol Deng-like in the NBA. Instead, he looks like a shooting guard who punishes opponents with his strength -- sort of like how Joe Johnson has made a (possibly Hall of Fame) career. Would you stick with Paul George?
Ford: I think the George comp is as good as any. We are seeing such major development from him so quickly, I think it's still premature to know exactly what he is. As long as he keeps getting better, the sky is really the limit for him.
What's fascinating to me is how many people really doubted Wiggins could be a star before the draft. I was routinely mocked before the draft for having him No. 1, and there was a contingent of scouts that honestly believed he could be a bust. The biggest concern I heard from scouts before the season was that Wiggins lacked the aggression of an elite type of player. At times he coasted in high school, and at Kansas, and didn't seem to have the killer instinct of a Kobe Bryant or Kevin Durant. Scouts also were concerned about how he was going to create his own offense. He was just a so-so shooter and his ballhandling skills left a lot to be desired as well. I think everyone thought he could be an elite defender someday, but the concerns about the offense were widespread.
I always thought Wiggins' problems were fixable. He relied on his athleticism for most of his young career and was developmentally behind someone like Parker. But as I watched him prep for the draft, I saw a player who was soaking in the nuances of the game and I saw tremendous work ethic and a willingness to study and get better. I think that was when I was sold on him as the No. 1 pick. Scouting what a player can't do is easy. Projecting what he can do, that's the trick.
All three of those weaknesses seem to be getting addressed. He's clearly been more aggressive of late. There is still room for major improvement in all three areas, but the progress is encouraging.
You've alluded to the fact that the numbers weren't particularly high on him before the draft. I'm curious what they saw as his flaws and whether they now think he's making progress toward them.
Pelton: The issue wasn't so much Wiggins' flaws as a lack of elite skills statistically. And that's where I think the most positive development of this season is how much higher Wiggins' usage rate is than it was projected to be coming out of Kansas:
Andrew Wiggins' performance vs. projections
TYPE WIN% USG TS% 2P% 3P% FT% FTA% REB% AST% TO%
Projected .394 .194 .500 .447 .309 .759 .103 9.5 2.1 .123
Actual .341 .220 .486 .420 .380 .699 .116 7.6 2.0 .120
Wiggins hasn't been more valuable by virtue of using more plays, since his true shooting percentage (TS%) has been correspondingly worse than expected. However, in the long run that's a better path to stardom -- and something I doubt we'd have seen had Wiggins stayed in Cleveland. Those and a dip in rebound rate while spending more time on the perimeter are the main differences between Wiggins' projected stats and his actual stats. We'll see how much that changes by the end of the season, but so far they weren't far off.
Q: Can the 2014 NBA draft ever live up to the hype it generated? How strong will this draft class be?
Ford: I'm sure Kevin will drown us in the bad news from an analytics perspective. I know that the rookies have not exactly been lighting it up so far this season. But I'm still bullish on this draft class. We knew in February that the hype coming into the season was overrated, but I still think this draft class could produce five to seven All-Stars and a couple of superstars.
I thought Parker was beginning to put together some strong performances in Milwaukee before the ACL injury. Obviously, if he doesn't bounce back from that, it's a problem. But tearing your ACL isn't the big deal it once was.
I've been really impressed with Dante Exum. We knew he was going to be a major work in progress, but I already think he's a better player than Trey Burke, and there are flashes when you can see greatness -- a lot like what we saw from Giannis Antetokounmpo in his rookie season.
I thought Aaron Gordon was very good before going down with an injury, and his teammate Elfrid Payton has already proved that he has a special ability to see the floor. If he ever learns how to be even a passable shooter, he could end up being a steal. Marcus Smart has battled injuries and inconsistency, but again, there are moments when he, too, looks like a special player. A couple of other sleepers are Jusuf Nurkic and K.J. McDaniels.
And next year, if they are healthy, both Embiid and Julius Randle have terrific potential, especially Embiid. Oh, and Dario Saric is having a strong season in Turkey, winning the Euroleague MVP for November. Again, I know none of them are having a major impact on the win-loss column this season, but the draft is really about who they'll become in five years. All of the guys I mentioned have a chance to be impact players in the league and a few of them -- Wiggins, Embiid, Parker, Exum and possibly Gordon and Payton -- could be stars.
Hammer away, Kevin!
Pelton: Two months into the season, there's been precisely one rookie worth at least one win above replacement by my system, and it's Nikola Mirotic -- who wasn't part of this draft class. You can find some pleasant surprises, but a lot of the rookies like Nik Stauskas and Doug McDermott we thought would contribute immediately have instead struggled to stay afloat. And injuries have done a number on the top prospects. Wiggins and Exum are the two players in the top seven who haven't dealt with a serious injury so far.
Add it up, and 2014 draftees have collectively produced at a rate 6.3 wins below replacement level. That puts them behind the much-maligned 2013 draft class (which actually finished above replacement collectively, at plus-4.1 WARP) and on pace to surpass the 2000 draft (minus-12.7 WARP) for worst rookie performance in modern NBA history.
Now, we'd expect younger players to struggle immediately, and this class is full of them. The 2013 draft also provides evidence of the rapid improvement top prospects can make when they get healthy. Already, those players have more than quadrupled their value to 18.7 WARP in year two. Still, it's hard to reconcile a historically great draft class performing so poorly right away.
Ford: Yikes. I knew it was bad, but historically bad? Guess I need to take off those rose-colored glasses.
As far as re-drafting goes, I think it would be pretty close to the actual order for me. Given each team's circumstances and what we've seen so far (and ignoring injuries that occurred after the draft), here's how my top 10 looks:
1. Cavs - Andrew Wiggins
2. Bucks - Jabari Parker
3. Sixers - Dante Exum
4. Magic - Joel Embiid
5. Jazz - Aaron Gordon
6. Celtics - Marcus Smart
7. Lakers - Dario Saric
8. Kings - Elfrid Payton
9. Hornets - Jusuf Nurkic
10. Sixers - Julius Randle
A couple of notes on this list ... I'm still a big believer in Embiid, but given all the elite center prospects in the 2015 draft (a fact the Sixers had to know going into the draft) and the lack of wings, I think adding Exum would've been a better fit long-term. The Sixers had plenty of time to develop Exum and I think he could've played in the backcourt with Michael Carter-Williams. That would have made things less tricky for the Sixers this year with players Jahlil Okafor, Karl-Anthony Towns and Kristaps Porzingis atop our Big Board. From everything I've seen from Exum, I think he has the chance to be a star.
Given how well Saric is playing in Turkey right now, I also think he went too low and has a brighter upside than the guy they took (Randle). Remember, Randle had foot issues coming into the draft. The Lakers knew they were playing with fire. But even without the injuries I think Saric was the better prospect, and had the Lakers been thinking long-term, he was a better get.
I also think the Kings blew their pick at No. 8. Stauskas has been awful, but that's not why I think they blew it. I just don't think Stauskas was a very good fit on this team. Payton, on the other hand, had the potential to be their point guard of the future, had great toughness and leadership qualities. I don't know how they whiffed on this one, especially since he worked out so well.
Nurkic is actually posting the highest PER of any rookie this season with an impressive 18.9. He's averaging 19.3 points and 15 rebounds per 40 minutes and is one of the reasons the Nuggets are considering dumping Timofey Mozgov. It looks like he definitely went too low.
Kevin? None of the above is not an option.
Pelton: What about trading out of the pick? Is that an option? I actually think mine is fairly similar.
1. Cavs - Andrew Wiggins
2. Bucks - Jabari Parker
3. Sixers - Marcus Smart
4. Magic - Dante Exum
5. Jazz - Aaron Gordon
6. Celtics - Joel Embiid
7. Lakers - Jusuf Nurkic
8. Kings - Elfrid Payton
9. Hornets - Dario Saric
10. Sixers - Noah Vonleh
I think your logic for the Sixers taking a guard is sound, but I would favor Smart over Exum. It's tough to evaluate how close Exum is to contributing because he's been put in such a small box by Quin Snyder. Philadelphia wouldn't have that same luxury, and I think the 76ers might have overloaded the raw rookie. Smart, too, could play with Carter-Williams, although that's an awfully poor-shooting backcourt.
Orlando is also flush at center with Nikola Vucevic and Kyle O'Quinn, which might cause the Magic to pass on Embiid in favor of Gordon. In that case, I don't think the Jazz (with Derrick Favors and the emerging Rudy Gobert) would take a center either, causing Embiid to slide to Boston.
I don't know whether the Lakers would be patient enough to wait around for Saric, in which case Nurkic offers more immediate upside. (He also leads all 2014 draftees in WARP.) The Hornets haven't gotten anything from Vonleh anyway, so waiting for Saric wouldn't be a huge sacrifice, and he'd fit the Josh McRoberts role in the offense well down the line. Lastly, having seen so little of either player, I'd still default Vonleh over Randle.
Gary Dineen/NBAE/Getty Images
Timberwolves rookie Andrew Wiggins is averaging 13.9 points and 4.2 rebounds this season.
ESPN Insider's Chad Ford and Kevin Pelton return to provide the kind of discussions that are happening in front offices around the NBA -- where scouts and statistical experts are breaking down NBA draft prospects using their "eyes, ears and numbers."
Minnesota Timberwolves rookie Andrew Wiggins plays Wednesday night on ESPN (9:30 ET). Ford ranked him No. 1 on his final Big Board of 2014 and he ended up being the No. 1 pick.
Question: We're 33 games into the season. Was Wiggins the right selection with the No. 1 pick?
Chad Ford: I think so. Wiggins, Jabari Parker and Joel Embiid were the only three real choices for the No. 1 pick. Embiid would have likely topped our final Big Board had he not broken his foot during pre-draft workouts. Combine that with the back problems he suffered toward the end of the season and he was just too risky to take at No. 1.
Parker was more polished -- the sure thing. But I always believed, and most scouts agreed, that Wiggins had more upside. When you are drafting No. 1, you aren't just thinking about a player's rookie season; you are thinking about who he'll be in five years, and Wiggins had a much higher ceiling, in my opinion.
I think Wiggins has proved a couple of things. One, he wasn't as far behind Parker as people thought in terms of NBA readiness. He's playing 32 minutes a night, averaging 14 points per game and 20 PPG over his past six games. Two, all of the upside things we saw at Kansas are showing up at times in the NBA: the explosive leaping ability, the unique quickness, the defensive abilities.
He might have gotten off to a slow start, but over the past few weeks Wiggins has looked like the potential superstar I believed he could be. If the draft were held again right now, I think virtually every team in the league would take him No. 1.
I know the numbers have been fairly brutal to Wiggins in the early going, Kevin. Have they been improving lately?
Kevin Pelton: Certainly true on both counts. Wiggins still has the most negative wins above replacement player (WARP) in the league at 1.5, a product of his heavy playing time in combination with below-replacement play.
But that masks the real improvement Wiggins has made over the last few weeks. Really, it seems like the turning point was Shabazz Muhammad moving into the starting lineup after the Corey Brewer trade. Before that took place, opponents could use the bigger wing defender on Wiggins. Now, because Muhammad is such a physical wing, those players are defending him. That's given Wiggins a size and strength advantage over most opponents, which has allowed him to get down on the post for better looks.
Andrew Wiggins' performance, pre- and post- Muhammad starting
PERIOD WIN% WARP USG TS% 2P% 3P% FTA% REB% AST% TO%
Before .301 -1.7 .219 .470 .400 .364 .119 7.3 1.9 .137
After .448 0.2 .219 .529 .474 .412 .110 8.2 2.2 .078
Comparing Wiggins' statistics since the lineup change, his 2-point percentage has improved dramatically, and he's cut way down on his turnovers. He's been playing at an above-replacement level, and that's with little help from the Timberwolves' point guards since Ricky Rubio is out of the lineup. If this progress is real, then Wiggins is absolutely ahead of Parker. This type of performance is better than his projected stats coming out of Kansas -- though how he played in the first month and a half of season was worse than expected.
Q: How does Wiggins compare to projections entering the draft?
Pelton: I'm curious, Chad. When we discussed Wiggins last season, we swapped comparisons for him at the NBA level. Mine has changed. Wiggins hasn't ended up very Luol Deng-like in the NBA. Instead, he looks like a shooting guard who punishes opponents with his strength -- sort of like how Joe Johnson has made a (possibly Hall of Fame) career. Would you stick with Paul George?
Ford: I think the George comp is as good as any. We are seeing such major development from him so quickly, I think it's still premature to know exactly what he is. As long as he keeps getting better, the sky is really the limit for him.
What's fascinating to me is how many people really doubted Wiggins could be a star before the draft. I was routinely mocked before the draft for having him No. 1, and there was a contingent of scouts that honestly believed he could be a bust. The biggest concern I heard from scouts before the season was that Wiggins lacked the aggression of an elite type of player. At times he coasted in high school, and at Kansas, and didn't seem to have the killer instinct of a Kobe Bryant or Kevin Durant. Scouts also were concerned about how he was going to create his own offense. He was just a so-so shooter and his ballhandling skills left a lot to be desired as well. I think everyone thought he could be an elite defender someday, but the concerns about the offense were widespread.
I always thought Wiggins' problems were fixable. He relied on his athleticism for most of his young career and was developmentally behind someone like Parker. But as I watched him prep for the draft, I saw a player who was soaking in the nuances of the game and I saw tremendous work ethic and a willingness to study and get better. I think that was when I was sold on him as the No. 1 pick. Scouting what a player can't do is easy. Projecting what he can do, that's the trick.
All three of those weaknesses seem to be getting addressed. He's clearly been more aggressive of late. There is still room for major improvement in all three areas, but the progress is encouraging.
You've alluded to the fact that the numbers weren't particularly high on him before the draft. I'm curious what they saw as his flaws and whether they now think he's making progress toward them.
Pelton: The issue wasn't so much Wiggins' flaws as a lack of elite skills statistically. And that's where I think the most positive development of this season is how much higher Wiggins' usage rate is than it was projected to be coming out of Kansas:
Andrew Wiggins' performance vs. projections
TYPE WIN% USG TS% 2P% 3P% FT% FTA% REB% AST% TO%
Projected .394 .194 .500 .447 .309 .759 .103 9.5 2.1 .123
Actual .341 .220 .486 .420 .380 .699 .116 7.6 2.0 .120
Wiggins hasn't been more valuable by virtue of using more plays, since his true shooting percentage (TS%) has been correspondingly worse than expected. However, in the long run that's a better path to stardom -- and something I doubt we'd have seen had Wiggins stayed in Cleveland. Those and a dip in rebound rate while spending more time on the perimeter are the main differences between Wiggins' projected stats and his actual stats. We'll see how much that changes by the end of the season, but so far they weren't far off.
Q: Can the 2014 NBA draft ever live up to the hype it generated? How strong will this draft class be?
Ford: I'm sure Kevin will drown us in the bad news from an analytics perspective. I know that the rookies have not exactly been lighting it up so far this season. But I'm still bullish on this draft class. We knew in February that the hype coming into the season was overrated, but I still think this draft class could produce five to seven All-Stars and a couple of superstars.
I thought Parker was beginning to put together some strong performances in Milwaukee before the ACL injury. Obviously, if he doesn't bounce back from that, it's a problem. But tearing your ACL isn't the big deal it once was.
I've been really impressed with Dante Exum. We knew he was going to be a major work in progress, but I already think he's a better player than Trey Burke, and there are flashes when you can see greatness -- a lot like what we saw from Giannis Antetokounmpo in his rookie season.
I thought Aaron Gordon was very good before going down with an injury, and his teammate Elfrid Payton has already proved that he has a special ability to see the floor. If he ever learns how to be even a passable shooter, he could end up being a steal. Marcus Smart has battled injuries and inconsistency, but again, there are moments when he, too, looks like a special player. A couple of other sleepers are Jusuf Nurkic and K.J. McDaniels.
And next year, if they are healthy, both Embiid and Julius Randle have terrific potential, especially Embiid. Oh, and Dario Saric is having a strong season in Turkey, winning the Euroleague MVP for November. Again, I know none of them are having a major impact on the win-loss column this season, but the draft is really about who they'll become in five years. All of the guys I mentioned have a chance to be impact players in the league and a few of them -- Wiggins, Embiid, Parker, Exum and possibly Gordon and Payton -- could be stars.
Hammer away, Kevin!
Pelton: Two months into the season, there's been precisely one rookie worth at least one win above replacement by my system, and it's Nikola Mirotic -- who wasn't part of this draft class. You can find some pleasant surprises, but a lot of the rookies like Nik Stauskas and Doug McDermott we thought would contribute immediately have instead struggled to stay afloat. And injuries have done a number on the top prospects. Wiggins and Exum are the two players in the top seven who haven't dealt with a serious injury so far.
Add it up, and 2014 draftees have collectively produced at a rate 6.3 wins below replacement level. That puts them behind the much-maligned 2013 draft class (which actually finished above replacement collectively, at plus-4.1 WARP) and on pace to surpass the 2000 draft (minus-12.7 WARP) for worst rookie performance in modern NBA history.
Now, we'd expect younger players to struggle immediately, and this class is full of them. The 2013 draft also provides evidence of the rapid improvement top prospects can make when they get healthy. Already, those players have more than quadrupled their value to 18.7 WARP in year two. Still, it's hard to reconcile a historically great draft class performing so poorly right away.
Ford: Yikes. I knew it was bad, but historically bad? Guess I need to take off those rose-colored glasses.
As far as re-drafting goes, I think it would be pretty close to the actual order for me. Given each team's circumstances and what we've seen so far (and ignoring injuries that occurred after the draft), here's how my top 10 looks:
1. Cavs - Andrew Wiggins
2. Bucks - Jabari Parker
3. Sixers - Dante Exum
4. Magic - Joel Embiid
5. Jazz - Aaron Gordon
6. Celtics - Marcus Smart
7. Lakers - Dario Saric
8. Kings - Elfrid Payton
9. Hornets - Jusuf Nurkic
10. Sixers - Julius Randle
A couple of notes on this list ... I'm still a big believer in Embiid, but given all the elite center prospects in the 2015 draft (a fact the Sixers had to know going into the draft) and the lack of wings, I think adding Exum would've been a better fit long-term. The Sixers had plenty of time to develop Exum and I think he could've played in the backcourt with Michael Carter-Williams. That would have made things less tricky for the Sixers this year with players Jahlil Okafor, Karl-Anthony Towns and Kristaps Porzingis atop our Big Board. From everything I've seen from Exum, I think he has the chance to be a star.
Given how well Saric is playing in Turkey right now, I also think he went too low and has a brighter upside than the guy they took (Randle). Remember, Randle had foot issues coming into the draft. The Lakers knew they were playing with fire. But even without the injuries I think Saric was the better prospect, and had the Lakers been thinking long-term, he was a better get.
I also think the Kings blew their pick at No. 8. Stauskas has been awful, but that's not why I think they blew it. I just don't think Stauskas was a very good fit on this team. Payton, on the other hand, had the potential to be their point guard of the future, had great toughness and leadership qualities. I don't know how they whiffed on this one, especially since he worked out so well.
Nurkic is actually posting the highest PER of any rookie this season with an impressive 18.9. He's averaging 19.3 points and 15 rebounds per 40 minutes and is one of the reasons the Nuggets are considering dumping Timofey Mozgov. It looks like he definitely went too low.
Kevin? None of the above is not an option.
Pelton: What about trading out of the pick? Is that an option? I actually think mine is fairly similar.
1. Cavs - Andrew Wiggins
2. Bucks - Jabari Parker
3. Sixers - Marcus Smart
4. Magic - Dante Exum
5. Jazz - Aaron Gordon
6. Celtics - Joel Embiid
7. Lakers - Jusuf Nurkic
8. Kings - Elfrid Payton
9. Hornets - Dario Saric
10. Sixers - Noah Vonleh
I think your logic for the Sixers taking a guard is sound, but I would favor Smart over Exum. It's tough to evaluate how close Exum is to contributing because he's been put in such a small box by Quin Snyder. Philadelphia wouldn't have that same luxury, and I think the 76ers might have overloaded the raw rookie. Smart, too, could play with Carter-Williams, although that's an awfully poor-shooting backcourt.
Orlando is also flush at center with Nikola Vucevic and Kyle O'Quinn, which might cause the Magic to pass on Embiid in favor of Gordon. In that case, I don't think the Jazz (with Derrick Favors and the emerging Rudy Gobert) would take a center either, causing Embiid to slide to Boston.
I don't know whether the Lakers would be patient enough to wait around for Saric, in which case Nurkic offers more immediate upside. (He also leads all 2014 draftees in WARP.) The Hornets haven't gotten anything from Vonleh anyway, so waiting for Saric wouldn't be a huge sacrifice, and he'd fit the Josh McRoberts role in the offense well down the line. Lastly, having seen so little of either player, I'd still default Vonleh over Randle.
Re: Great Stuff On Wiggins
They don't sound disappointed in Wiggins.
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SameOldNudityDrew
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Not bad.
It's so early. Some rookies come in looking like not much of anything, then put it together a few years later. Look at my old student Kyle Lowry for example! Other guys come in looking amazing (remember Tyreke Evans as a rookie) and then fall off (although he's doing better now that they moved him to a more appropriate position.
It's still too early to tell what level Wiggins is going to reach, but lately he's looked good, and like some guys have pointed out, we can start to see an "outline" of what kind of player he's going to be.
Thanks for posting!
It's so early. Some rookies come in looking like not much of anything, then put it together a few years later. Look at my old student Kyle Lowry for example! Other guys come in looking amazing (remember Tyreke Evans as a rookie) and then fall off (although he's doing better now that they moved him to a more appropriate position.
It's still too early to tell what level Wiggins is going to reach, but lately he's looked good, and like some guys have pointed out, we can start to see an "outline" of what kind of player he's going to be.
Thanks for posting!