Phenom's_Revenge wrote:The Celtics were an anomaly. The Spurs model is what we should all be clamoring for - continuity. They kept their core intact for what seems like a million years and rarely make trades. They are the model for success by not always pursuing new toys but instead building a system and chemistry that is unmatched.
I don't think the Celtics were an anomaly. The Lakers, Heat, now the Cavs followed suit right behind them. The Spurs are the only team that had a predominantly homegrown team and did it by tanking out on a draft with a once in a generation player who was extremely talented and extremely durable. That makes them the anomaly. All of the other examples of the Spurs model lose steam because of the amount of extra time it takes. If Ducan 2.0 is in this draft, let's tank away.
The Spurs didn't tank. David Robinson and Sea Elliot missed most of the year and they couldn't compete without him. They didn't even have the best odds to get the top pick. And yes the Celts were an anomaly. They turned around from the (possibly) worst team in the league to NBA champion in 12 months. The Lakers were playing really well before Bynum went down before they acquired Gasol. The Heat were a playoff team before getting Bron and Bosh. We will see if the Cavs can match Boston. They are the only one with parallels, so far.
Phenom's_Revenge wrote:The Celtics were an anomaly. The Spurs model is what we should all be clamoring for - continuity. They kept their core intact for what seems like a million years and rarely make trades. They are the model for success by not always pursuing new toys but instead building a system and chemistry that is unmatched.
I don't think the Celtics were an anomaly. The Lakers, Heat, now the Cavs followed suit right behind them. The Spurs are the only team that had a predominantly homegrown team and did it by tanking out on a draft with a once in a generation player who was extremely talented and extremely durable. That makes them the anomaly. All of the other examples of the Spurs model lose steam because of the amount of extra time it takes. If Ducan 2.0 is in this draft, let's tank away.
The Spurs didn't tank. David Robinson and Sea Elliot missed most of the year and they couldn't compete without him. They didn't even have the best odds to get the top pick.
What gets lost with the Spurs ridiculous string of success is how fortunate they were. Landing Duncan after the Robinson injury season is just one example.
The Wolves had bad luck and timing. And, of course, MUCH MUCH less skilled men making roster moves.
Phenom's_Revenge wrote:My preference is to trade no one, honestly. There are exceptions like trading bench fodder like Turiaf or Bud but unless the Wolves are blown away by an. offer they need to stick it out and let this team grow for once. Too many people want instant results and when it doesnt happen, they want to keep shuffling the deck. I thought the healthy version of the team looked pretty good. I want to see Flip build on that.
Best take of the thread. We have historically given up on guys too soon. With our health issues (though some could have been predicted) and youth we are right where we should be. And I'm just not willing to make judgments on what we have seen so far. For once, let's see what cream rises to the top, and what sludge sinks to the bottom before cutting bait.
Not sure if I blindly agree with either of these sentiments. Name me the players that left the Wolves and developed into something special? Either you have the talent or you don't. Our talent apart from Wiggins and Rubio is very mediocre. Pek, Martin and Brewer are capable NBA players and contenders could use them. My main point is why are they on our roster now that it is clear this season is a write off. As for trading youngsters, I know Flip wont risk the core 6 young guys at this point, and I am not sure that is the answer. But the only 3 players I really care to see stay on the Wolves are Rubio, Wiggins and Bazz (to a lesser extant Gorgui) for various reasons.
Sounds like you want us to be just like the Detroit Lions - Rebuilding, since 1957. What you're suggesting as a strategy will only result in the need to continually rebuild. In the NBA you need 2 or 3 stars, and hopefully we find that in some combination of Wiggins, Lavine, Dieng, Rubio, and our number 1 pick next year. But you also need specialists and role players, and some of our current players can become those pieces.
To be fair, the Wolves are the NBA equivalent. Should the Clippers somehow win a title... the Wolves have a legit claim as the worst franchise in the NBA.
They are the equivalent. The Wolves have consistently had high personnel turnover since the playoff days. Its a big reason why they have the longest playoff drought without a doubt. We can't start from scratch every two years and expect a winning culture.
I think there's an important assumption in each of your previous posts... so this works for both of them... You need to have talent. The Spurs have talent. And speak of anomalies... no team in NBA history has had such an extended run of 50+ win seasons.
The Wolves have not had the talent. And in the NBA, it's all about talent. Plus, almost every new CBA provision favors even more roster change than ever before. The days of building a team of bit parts waiting for them to grow together is nearly dead.
You find your superstar. And you hold on for dear life... and build around them. The writing is on the wall...
It is a very important assumption. And I assume that Wiggins and Rubio are good enough to build around. I also think Pek, Dieng, LaVine, Bennett, Young, and Brewer are/will be good NBA players worth being their supporting cast. I say let these guys become the old crusty group of vets and see what happens.
I think there's an important assumption in each of your previous posts... so this works for both of them... You need to have talent. The Spurs have talent. And speak of anomalies... no team in NBA history has had such an extended run of 50+ win seasons.
The Wolves have not had the talent. And in the NBA, it's all about talent. Plus, almost every new CBA provision favors even more roster change than ever before. The days of building a team of bit parts waiting for them to grow together is nearly dead.
You find your superstar. And you hold on for dear life... and build around them. The writing is on the wall...
TheSP wrote:All the young dudes had nice games today! Lavine is so raw, and yet the potential is amazing!
Bennett's D in the second was awful, but I agree. Lavine really blew my mind tonight though with his poise. He brought us back in the game. Flip should have given him the green light for the iso for the last shot.
