alexftbl8181 wrote:
ricky got benched a lot of times last year
And we lost a record number of <4 point games. Regardless of Ricky's shooting woes last year, Adelman cost the Wolves several games by going with JJ in the end game crunch situations over Rubio.
incorrect. Adelman was damned either way. When your playing 4 on 5, it's a pretty big disadvantage. 18% from the field in the 4th quarter. It does get worse though. He shot 12.5% in clutch situations (teams within 5 and in 5 minutes of less of the end of the game). I'll repeat that again, 12.5%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry but there isn't anything else in your game that can make up for that stat
I see you like to look at stats in a vacuum. Not that long ago, Ricky was making clutch 3's to win games even when going 0 of 9 from the field previously. It only takes a person with two eyes to see that the team plays better with Ricky in than with JJ. The offense flows whether he can shoot or not. Your argument holds no water with me because Ricky wasn't a good shooter at any point in those games, but still the offense was FAR better with him in (go look at +/- if you feel the need). Interesting that we were "4 on 5" all last year when Ricky was in, yet our starting lineup was amongst the best in the league in +/-. Maybe you can't see the offense flow better with Ricky in, but if you can't, you're blind.
http://www.minnpost.com/sports/2014/01/breaking-down-wolves-fourth-quarter-blues This was the article I got my stats from. It was made in Jan, so it was a little outdated. But 12% or 25% it's still beyond awful. Like historic levels of bad.
And hockey, no one is saying that JJ is a better option or player then Ricky. Just because Ricky is better then JJ, doesn't mean he wasn't a huge liability in the 4th quarter. People want to rip Adelman for playing JJ in the 4th quarter of games, but honestly, when both of your PG's were shooting that bad, all the fault lies with the players. There's nothing the coach could of done to make them shoot better. Either way the Wolves were playing 4 on 5 down the stretch.
alexftbl8181 wrote:http://www.minnpost.com/sports/2014/01/breaking-down-wolves-fourth-quarter-blues This was the article I got my stats from. It was made in Jan, so it was a little outdated. But 12% or 25% it's still beyond awful. Like historic levels of bad.
Ahh. OK. Yeah, that's an old read taken midway through last season. It really just illustrates what I wrote earlier....those small samples don't really hold up long term. The 12% "clutch percentage" you quoted was based off of 59 minutes. By the end of the year, it was up to 25%. And this year it's over 40%. It doesn't really mean anything. The more "clutch data" that is accumulated, the closer it will be to his overall FG%. Rubio is going to be just fine and I'm sure Flip will be happy to have him playing in the 4th quarter when he's healthy.
So I'm looking at these clutch stats and unless I am looking at something wrong it looks to me JJ was...brutal is too kind. 10% of his shots? Really? wow. You can't tell me by looking at those clutch stats that JJ should have ever even seen the floor over Rubio. Please explain what I am missing.
JJ
http://www.82games.com/1314/13MIN1.HTM#clutch
Rubio
http://www.82games.com/1314/13MIN2.HTM
Also I'll point out a stat which pops out at me which is the fouls drawn percentage. If thats not something kinda clutch I don't know what is. Even if its getting the ball and holding onto it to get fouled at the end of game thats a bit of clutchness too. Like its been said a number of times this stuff is all a small sample, but that number is pretty big.
alexftbl8181 wrote:http://www.minnpost.com/sports/2014/01/breaking-down-wolves-fourth-quarter-blues This was the article I got my stats from. It was made in Jan, so it was a little outdated. But 12% or 25% it's still beyond awful. Like historic levels of bad.
And hockey, no one is saying that JJ is a better option or player then Ricky. Just because Ricky is better then JJ, doesn't mean he wasn't a huge liability in the 4th quarter. People want to rip Adelman for playing JJ in the 4th quarter of games, but honestly, when both of your PG's were shooting that bad, all the fault lies with the players. There's nothing the coach could of done to make them shoot better. Either way the Wolves were playing 4 on 5 down the stretch.
Based on last year clutch statistics from 82games.com Rubio's true shooting % during clutch time was 46.1% and Love's was 47.3%. Not that much difference there in efficiency but of course Love had much higher clutch usage rate. Based on TS% during clutch, Brewer was Wolves best clutch player during last year. He had last year TS% 59.6% during clutch time. :)
In general I agree with Danger that those clutch sample sizes are so small that it doesn't make much conclusions based on them.
alexftbl8181 wrote:http://www.minnpost.com/sports/2014/01/breaking-down-wolves-fourth-quarter-blues This was the article I got my stats from. It was made in Jan, so it was a little outdated. But 12% or 25% it's still beyond awful. Like historic levels of bad.
And hockey, no one is saying that JJ is a better option or player then Ricky. Just because Ricky is better then JJ, doesn't mean he wasn't a huge liability in the 4th quarter. People want to rip Adelman for playing JJ in the 4th quarter of games, but honestly, when both of your PG's were shooting that bad, all the fault lies with the players. There's nothing the coach could of done to make them shoot better. Either way the Wolves were playing 4 on 5 down the stretch.
Based on last year clutch statistics from 82games.com Rubio's true shooting % during clutch time was 46.1% and Love's was 47.3%. Not that much difference there in efficiency but of course Love had much higher clutch usage rate. Based on TS% during clutch, Brewer was Wolves best clutch player during last year. He had last year TS% 59.6% during clutch time. :)
In general I agree with Danger that those clutch sample sizes are so small that it doesn't make much conclusions based on them.
I don't know where your looking, but those numbers are not right. I don't even need to look it up to tell that number is wrong
alexftbl8181 wrote:I don't know where your looking, but those numbers are not right. I don't even need to look it up to tell that number is wrong
I did check and Mikkeman's numbers seem pretty close to what I found on NBA.com.
Love 4th quarter clutch TS% was 45.2%
Rubio's was 46.3% (Yep - better than Love's!)
I believe the variance between NBA.com and 82games.com is that 82games includes OT stats and I can't figure out how to do that on NBA.com.
Again - I personally think "Clutch Stats" are a novelty stat and take them with a grain of salt. But if you are trying to build a case for sitting Rubio because he was "bad on offense" during clutch time - it really doesn't hold up IMO. The one guy that stood out as horrible in clutch time was Barea - not Rubio. JJ's TS% was 15.2% in the clutch stats which was by far the worst on the team. Nobody else was even below 41% TS%.
alexftbl8181 wrote:I don't know where your looking, but those numbers are not right. I don't even need to look it up to tell that number is wrong
I did check and Mikkeman's numbers seem pretty close to what I found on NBA.com.
Love 4th quarter clutch TS% was 45.2%
Rubio's was 46.3% (Yep - better than Love's!)
I believe the variance between NBA.com and 82games.com is that 82games includes OT stats and I can't figure out how to do that on NBA.com.
Again - I personally think "Clutch Stats" are a novelty stat and take them with a grain of salt. But if you are trying to build a case for sitting Rubio because he was "bad on offense" during clutch time - it really doesn't hold up IMO. The one guy that stood out as horrible in clutch time was Barea - not Rubio. JJ's TS% was 15.2% in the clutch stats which was by far the worst on the team. Nobody else was even below 41% TS%.
I think your looking at the teams % when Ricky's in, not Ricky himself. Ricky made 25 baskets in the 4th quarter the entire year. Even his adjusted FG% is 30%.
When there's a stat that says that Ricky's better at any kind of shooting stat over Love, either your reading it wrong or it's complete bunk
I checked 82games and came up with TS% of 48.1% for Love and 47.3% for Rubio. TS% is what counts when trying to win BB games. The big difference is that Rubio was drawing fouls at a much higher rate than Love.
