papalrep wrote:Cool-
Is there something I haven't heard here? I mean sprained ankles shouldn't keep you out longer than 6 weeks. It's not the worst thing that's happened to this franchise.
I am thinking 2 months. A high ankle sprain with possible ligament damage is a serious injury - not an ACL, but not just a pulled muscle either. We will know if there is ligament damage in about 10 days, is what I hear.
I remember when Troy Hudson had a high ankle sprain, someone on the team said he would have healed faster if he had just flat out broken his ankle.
Papal, I don't disagree that it's likely that Ricky will be out two months, but I don't think it's been determined that this is a high ankle sprain, which are notoriously slow to heal. In fact, I recall that the diagnosis after the original MRI was that this was not a high ankle sprain, but that there was so much swelling that this diagnosis couldn't be verified for a couple weeks. I did read today that this is likely a Grade 3 sprain with significant ligament tearing, and if so, your guess of two months is probably pretty close. I have my mind set for an early January return for Ricky.
Britt is a columnist and I wish there were more of them around but it doesn't seem like writers that have fewer well written columns are valued that highly its about gets out stories get page clicks etc.
About Ricky's injury I've rolled my ankles many times and so I know how that goes but Ricky's was pretty bad by looking at it watching the game. I've also never gone to get any of mine checked out so maybe I jacked them out worse than I thought. Lol None of mine were high ankle sprains I know that for sure. Ricky is young but he isn't a weekend warrior either he has to play at a high level. If its bad at all I wouldn't be surprised if its a month to get healed right. If there is still a lot of swelling that's not a good sign.
Pro tip: If you have problems with or want to prevent rolling your ankles from what I've read the best thing you can do is do balence excercises to strengthen those ligaments. Stand on one foot as long as you can. If that gets easy add something to throw you off balance. I throw/flip a shoe up in the air and catch it or if I really want something hard I play tug of war with my client's black lab on one foot. Lol I've been doing this sporatically for the last couple years and I haven't had the same issues I had before and I notice more stability if I've done the balancing excercises especially when I am in the paint trying to finish or going after balls. I'm a guard and I do not like wearing hightop shoes I actually have a pair of low-cut shoes right now and they have been great. Hopefully this helps someone and hopefully I didn't jinx myself and jack up my ankle.
monsterpile wrote:Britt is a columnist and I wish there were more of them around but it doesn't seem like writers that have fewer well written columns are valued that highly its about gets out stories get page clicks etc.
About Ricky's injury I've rolled my ankles many times and so I know how that goes but Ricky's was pretty bad by looking at it watching the game. I've also never gone to get any of mine checked out so maybe I jacked them out worse than I thought. Lol None of mine were high ankle sprains I know that for sure. Ricky is young but he isn't a weekend warrior either he has to play at a high level. If its bad at all I wouldn't be surprised if its a month to get healed right. If there is still a lot of swelling that's not a good sign.
Pro tip: If you have problems with or want to prevent rolling your ankles from what I've read the best thing you can do is do balence excercises to strengthen those ligaments. Stand on one foot as long as you can. If that gets easy add something to throw you off balance. I throw/flip a shoe up in the air and catch it or if I really want something hard I play tug of war with my client's black lab on one foot. Lol I've been doing this sporatically for the last couple years and I haven't had the same issues I had before and I notice more stability if I've done the balancing excercises especially when I am in the paint trying to finish or going after balls. I'm a guard and I do not like wearing hightop shoes I actually have a pair of low-cut shoes right now and they have been great. Hopefully this helps someone and hopefully I didn't jinx myself and jack up my ankle.
I've sprained my ankle so many times that it would roll while just walking down the road. Pretty much had to quit playing sports for a few years but it never gets the same.
With the Rubio injury, that's pretty much a freak injury. Every person in the world sprains his ankle the same way stepping on someones foot like that going that speed. It's shocking that it doesn't happen more often. I've seen people asking why players don't just wear light braces all the time. I can say that I always wear a brace on my ankle when I play, but the problem is that it puts extra pressure on your knees. So now I have a bad ankle and knee and have to wear a brace on both. NOW whenever I play, it puts so much pressure on my lower back that I can barely get into my car to get home. Cry for me please
Granted, he's signed for 4 years... so there's time. But I wanted to see more than a five game sample size for proof that he's indeed making a bit of a leap. And, let's be honest... he's still nowhere near a finished product. They're basically reworking his shot. So for him to get as much time as possible on the actual court is a good thing for the long-term prospects of this club.
His knee injury was similarly poorly timed. The Wolves were beginning to gel and excitement was building... just bad timing.
By the way, the Wolves aren't nearly as much fun to watch without Rubio.
"I'm thinking about long term. I'm thinking about after I'm done with basketball. Having graduations to go to, having meetings to go to, I don't want to be in my meetings all sore or be at my son's graduation all sore just because of something I did in the past. [I'm] just learning and being smart."
BizarroJerry wrote:Quite the opposite here from Derrick Rose:
"I'm thinking about long term. I'm thinking about after I'm done with basketball. Having graduations to go to, having meetings to go to, I don't want to be in my meetings all sore or be at my son's graduation all sore just because of something I did in the past. [I'm] just learning and being smart."
Pretty sure Rubes would never say that.
Not exactly what you want to hear from the player you are giving max money to. What does he think he is being paid that type of money for? Rose may well be the biggest disappointment in the NBA in this decade. Rubio came back from his ACL/LCL in 9 months, while Rose took the better part of two years, and now he is sitting out with a sore ankle. Funny that his brother was spouting off last year about getting him help, and now it is probably his teammates that are thinking that.
Will be really interested to see what type of deal Rose gets in his next contract. He is due about 60 mil over these next three seasons while Noah is making a little over 26 for the next two. Who would you rather have on your team, Rose or Noah and Taj Gibson?
monsterpile wrote:Britt is a columnist and I wish there were more of them around but it doesn't seem like writers that have fewer well written columns are valued that highly its about gets out stories get page clicks etc.
About Ricky's injury I've rolled my ankles many times and so I know how that goes but Ricky's was pretty bad by looking at it watching the game. I've also never gone to get any of mine checked out so maybe I jacked them out worse than I thought. Lol None of mine were high ankle sprains I know that for sure. Ricky is young but he isn't a weekend warrior either he has to play at a high level. If its bad at all I wouldn't be surprised if its a month to get healed right. If there is still a lot of swelling that's not a good sign.
Pro tip: If you have problems with or want to prevent rolling your ankles from what I've read the best thing you can do is do balence excercises to strengthen those ligaments. Stand on one foot as long as you can. If that gets easy add something to throw you off balance. I throw/flip a shoe up in the air and catch it or if I really want something hard I play tug of war with my client's black lab on one foot. Lol I've been doing this sporatically for the last couple years and I haven't had the same issues I had before and I notice more stability if I've done the balancing excercises especially when I am in the paint trying to finish or going after balls. I'm a guard and I do not like wearing hightop shoes I actually have a pair of low-cut shoes right now and they have been great. Hopefully this helps someone and hopefully I didn't jinx myself and jack up my ankle.
I've sprained my ankle so many times that it would roll while just walking down the road. Pretty much had to quit playing sports for a few years but it never gets the same.
With the Rubio injury, that's pretty much a freak injury. Every person in the world sprains his ankle the same way stepping on someones foot like that going that speed. It's shocking that it doesn't happen more often. I've seen people asking why players don't just wear light braces all the time. I can say that I always wear a brace on my ankle when I play, but the problem is that it puts extra pressure on your knees. So now I have a bad ankle and knee and have to wear a brace on both. NOW whenever I play, it puts so much pressure on my lower back that I can barely get into my car to get home. Cry for me please
I just cried for you it was an awkward thing to do at work but oh well. Lol Seriously try the balancing thing even if at first you need to stand next to a wall and only can do it for 5 seconds at a time.
Shoes can make a difference too. I realized one pair I had didn't flex enough and were not rounded on the edges so if there was a situation where I might roll it well it was more likely to happen. Different shoes fit different people so that's gonna be different for everyone. I've always wondered if Terrell Brandon's ankle issues were partly because of his shoes because he did make a change to what I think was his own shoe. I've also listened to the experts and replaced my shoes more often which has helped my entire body during basketball season feel better and probably helps the ankles too.
I agree the braces may not be a solution. For one they can keep your body from strengthening where those areas you wear them are a problem. I bought some nice ankle braces a while back when I was having more problems. I hated them because they limited motion and made my shoe more bulky also. Fortunately I've been able to move past the ankle problems but I guess I'll keep the braces around in case I need them if I jack up my ankle doing something and I need to stabilize them to get around or go to work.
Take all this with a grain of salt I don't have any medical training really just going off my own knowledge and experience. I've also found myself to be a faster healer (not as fast as I was in my 20's though obviously) than most people so that makes a difference. Everybody is different.
I don't know if you guys have seen this graph about "productive passing", which measures the percentage of frontcourt touches that results in an assist, a secondary assist, or a pass that leads to a shot foul. Essentially, it is measuring how effective a player is in making every pass count...i.e. finding a teammate in the best position to score.
https://twitter.com/uuords
Edit: you need to scroll down about 15 tweets to get to the graph I'm talking about.
Small sample size, of course, because the season is young. But it's just another example of the incredible early season Ricky was having. The rest of the top twenty in this metric are bunched together between 13 and 16%, and Ricky sits way ahead of the pack at over 18%. The raw numbers don't sound so remarkable, so you really have to look at it in graphic format to see what an outlier Rubio is.
I get the same two takeaways from this: Man, does it ever suck to lose Ricky when everything was looking so promising and...man, how great it is that we have this guy locked up for so many years! I continue to think he is in a breakout season where he is going to show his true potential, assuming the ankle doesn't slow him down when he returns.
Zach LaVine did a fine job of protecting the ball in his first start, and a good job on defense. But he is cautious, and so he is not going to rank very high in productive passing. That's why Flip is encouraging him to loosen up a little, and to take advantage of his athleticism. Flip is giving Zach permission to fail, and it's not going to be pretty at times. But it's all we have for the next several weeks.
bleedspeed177 wrote:
I am with you. Do we know the on/off stats for other players? it would be nice to see the context of that. What is Young's is 35 or peks is 25. That would make the meaning of Rubio's 27.x more meaningful
Based on stats from basketball reference Wolves on/off stats are:
This includes already those two games that Wolves have played without Rubio. On/off stats are not too kind for Wolves young talent. Only Wiggins have positive number. Overall Ricky's numbers are really impressive since no other starter except Wiggins has had better than +10 and Wiggins numbers are skewed by his substitute Brewer being so horrible.
These numbers tell same story that many have been already telling that good things will happen when Hummel is on court.
