khans2k5 wrote:Ricky is not getting a max deal if he doesn't post more than 15 PPG. End of story. I don't care what other numbers he puts up. You should not be a max player if you can't score more than 15 PPG. 4/43 is right in the ball park with every other PG on and around his level. If he truly wanted to win, he'd take the discount and let us try to bring in a big name at or around the max. Curry's deal only became a discount when he stayed healthy. If his ankles would have kept on the path they were on, he would have been a bad contract like Eric Gordon turned into in NO. I seriously doubt if he puts up 12/8.5/4/2.5 that someone would give him the max. Especially when Bledsoe will also be on the market without worrying about matching issues dropping 18/6/5/1.5. You have to be able to put the ball in the bucket in this league to get paid well and that is the one thing Ricky can't do and is why I see a very small chance he gets offered the max by anyone. Also factor in that he plays the deepest position in the league and teams aren't going to max a guy who truly isn't worth it when there is so much quality depth available that can give you 80+% of the production for significantly less money overall.
That would be crazy. He is coming off of his rookie contract. No player would or should be looking to take discounts at that point.
khans2k5 wrote:Ricky is not getting a max deal if he doesn't post more than 15 PPG. End of story. I don't care what other numbers he puts up. You should not be a max player if you can't score more than 15 PPG. 4/43 is right in the ball park with every other PG on and around his level. If he truly wanted to win, he'd take the discount and let us try to bring in a big name at or around the max. Curry's deal only became a discount when he stayed healthy. If his ankles would have kept on the path they were on, he would have been a bad contract like Eric Gordon turned into in NO. I seriously doubt if he puts up 12/8.5/4/2.5 that someone would give him the max. Especially when Bledsoe will also be on the market without worrying about matching issues dropping 18/6/5/1.5. You have to be able to put the ball in the bucket in this league to get paid well and that is the one thing Ricky can't do and is why I see a very small chance he gets offered the max by anyone. Also factor in that he plays the deepest position in the league and teams aren't going to max a guy who truly isn't worth it when there is so much quality depth available that can give you 80+% of the production for significantly less money overall.
That would be crazy. He is coming off of his rookie contract. No player would or should be looking to take discounts at that point.
In what world is going from 4 million a year to 10+ a discount? Seems to me like that is a pretty substantial raise. I guess I'm just more a fan of paying for actual production instead of paying and praying he gets substantially better at this point in his career. His production is worth absolutely no more than 12/year and that is a stretch to begin with.
khans2k5 wrote:Ricky is not getting a max deal if he doesn't post more than 15 PPG. End of story. I don't care what other numbers he puts up. You should not be a max player if you can't score more than 15 PPG. 4/43 is right in the ball park with every other PG on and around his level. If he truly wanted to win, he'd take the discount and let us try to bring in a big name at or around the max. Curry's deal only became a discount when he stayed healthy. If his ankles would have kept on the path they were on, he would have been a bad contract like Eric Gordon turned into in NO. I seriously doubt if he puts up 12/8.5/4/2.5 that someone would give him the max. Especially when Bledsoe will also be on the market without worrying about matching issues dropping 18/6/5/1.5. You have to be able to put the ball in the bucket in this league to get paid well and that is the one thing Ricky can't do and is why I see a very small chance he gets offered the max by anyone. Also factor in that he plays the deepest position in the league and teams aren't going to max a guy who truly isn't worth it when there is so much quality depth available that can give you 80+% of the production for significantly less money overall.
That would be crazy. He is coming off of his rookie contract. No player would or should be looking to take discounts at that point.
In what world is going from 4 million a year to 10+ a discount? Seems to me like that is a pretty substantial raise. I guess I'm just more a fan of paying for actual production instead of paying and praying he gets substantially better at this point in his career. His production is worth absolutely no more than 12/year and that is a stretch to begin with.
Lol, you are the one that brought up taking a discount. Point still stands. No player coming off of their rookie scale deal is looking to take a discount to win. They are going to go for the best deal that will set them up for life. This has less to do with what he is worth and everything to do with squeezing out every dollar possible.
So is Rubio a RFA next summer if we don't sign him to an extension? If that is the case he is not worth over 11M at this point for the team. Let him see what his market is next year. I think most teams will see him as a hard fit because of his lack of scoring.
bleedspeed177 wrote:So is Rubio a RFA next summer if we don't sign him to an extension? If that is the case he is not worth over 11M at this point for the team. Let him see what his market is next year. I think most teams will see him as a hard fit because of his lack of scoring.
I think Mark Cuban will go all Chandler Parsons on Ricky. RFAs get overpaid, thats the only way teams have a shot of acquiring them. The question becomes if Flip is willing to keep Ricky on another teams terms (ETOs, poison pill, etc.) or is he willing to let him walk?
I think the Parson's deal was just as much to mess up the Rockets building a super team as it was improving the Mavs. Cuban seems to bargain shop. Will Rubio fit what they do? I am sure you look at your plan B and see how much of a drop off it is and if you are better off spending your money else where.
alexftbl8181 wrote:
Doubtful. A couple things to keep in mind,
That 43 million dollar deal will be there at any point, even if he somehow missed the whole season, so it makes no sense to take it now.
With Love out the door, Ricky has all the leverage in the world. He's the star, he's the guy who Khan wanted to give the max too.
With the Wolves in rebuilding mode, there's no reason why Ricky should take a discount or even a reasonable deal.
The Wolves have shown they don't really play hardball. Pek got a massive deal without any other suitors. Dounbt they would start now with Ricky.
RFA stars almost never take a deal unless its the max, before hitting FA. Just doesn't happen
If Rubio gets a major injury the 43 mill deal is definitely not guaranteed. That would be his 2nd. Sure he has some leverage, but not "all the leverage in the world". Why? Because he is NOT a star yet. He hasn't even sniffed the All-Star game yet. That's BS about Pek. They slightly overpaid, but there was plenty of talk about other Suitors or teams wanting to stick it to the Wolves like the Blazers. I specifically recall rumors of at least 1 other team at 4 yr 48.
PorkChop wrote:Give me one example of a "star" player that ever played in the NBA with Rickys numbers. I wouldnt use the word star so loosely
bleedspeed177 wrote:I think the Parson's deal was just as much to mess up the Rockets building a super team as it was improving the Mavs. Cuban seems to bargain shop. Will Rubio fit what they do? I am sure you look at your plan B and see how much of a drop off it is and if you are better off spending your money else where.
Well Cuban loves him and has said that before. He said they have tried very hard to trade for him in the past. Dirk took less money so Cuban could spend. It all adds up for me.
alexftbl8181 wrote:
Doubtful. A couple things to keep in mind,
That 43 million dollar deal will be there at any point, even if he somehow missed the whole season, so it makes no sense to take it now.
With Love out the door, Ricky has all the leverage in the world. He's the star, he's the guy who Khan wanted to give the max too.
With the Wolves in rebuilding mode, there's no reason why Ricky should take a discount or even a reasonable deal.
The Wolves have shown they don't really play hardball. Pek got a massive deal without any other suitors. Dounbt they would start now with Ricky.
RFA stars almost never take a deal unless its the max, before hitting FA. Just doesn't happen
If Rubio gets a major injury the 43 mill deal is definitely not guaranteed. That would be his 2nd. Sure he has some leverage, but not "all the leverage in the world". Why? Because he is NOT a star yet. He hasn't even sniffed the All-Star game yet. That's BS about Pek. They slightly overpaid, but there was plenty of talk about other Suitors or teams wanting to stick it to the Wolves like the Blazers. I specifically recall rumors of at least 1 other team at 4 yr 48.
PorkChop wrote:Give me one example of a "star" player that ever played in the NBA with Rickys numbers. I wouldnt use the word star so loosely
Exactly
star or whatever label you wanna give. Ricky is at the "level" where he's got the leverage in the fact that losing him is going to set your team back a big step.
Applaud the Suns all you want about not giving the max to Bledsoe. But just from a on court view, the Suns will take a huge step back that might take years to get back to
