Rose/Simmons preview

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOH5SQld6HQ#t=267

Like them or not, these Rose and Simmons videos are kind of fun. Their takes are obviously more pessimistic about the Wolves than the general consensus on this board, but for the most part are fairly realistic. Simmons seems to have done his homework better than Rose, and has a fair preview. The only time he pissed me off is when he ridiculed the Young trade, saying the Wolves should have kept the pick. I think it's debatable, and this board was mostly split on it, but Flip certainly doesn't deserve to be mocked for that trade. Most coaches would like to have Thad Young on their team, and a pick around 20 isn't a big sacrifice.

Rose, on the other hand, misses the boat several times with his Wolves negativity. First, he says the Wolves don't have any veterans to mentor their young players. Apparently he forgot about Turiaf, Young, Williams, Brewer, Martin, and even JJ. That's a pretty solid group of mentors, so I don't know where he is coming from. He also disses Rubio's defense. Ricky has some deficiencies in his defensive game, but overall I still see it as a strength rather than a weakness.

They both predict that we miss the playoffs again, but I don't think there are many here that disagree.

[thedoper]

I watched it first thing this morning. I was also pissed about the comments about veterans and the trade. They fail to seem to know that the pick was lottery protected. I did a lot of thinking about what Rose was thinking about Ricky's d though. And I do believe that Ricky's defensive abilities are often marked by his takeaways but sometimes he can be very lax on his on-ball defending. There are a lot of PGs who go off on him and get in the lane rather easy. All in all I think they just have a typical narrative they want to say with the Wolves and really didn't care that much in their assessment other than to make fun of our lack of success and the fact that we Glen rewarded Flip for an immense amount of power for no tangible basketball reason.

That being said I believe we are going to be better than their assessment but will never hear about it from them if we are.

[mjs34]

Loved the video and thought Simmons was pretty accurate in his depiction of the wolves. Can't believe how far off Rose is in his portrayal. Not only the lack of veterans talk, but then later he is in favor of not keeping Ricky, and suggests that Burke should have been kept to play with the rookies. Doesn't that completely contradict what he just stated about having vets.

He says Ricky isn't a blur, but yet when the NBA was measuring the advance metrics they had Ricky as the fastest guy down the court with the ball in his hands.

I agree completely with their take on Flip. What bothers me most is that Flip could have done things such as bringing in the shooting coach last season. Does anyone think Adelman would have made a fuss over something like that? Instead Flip sat on his hands, and has all but admitted that he didn't agree with signing Bud. Isn't that why he is POBO. So he can make those decisions. If you are going to do what the coach wants, why not let the coach just handle POBO duties. I Flip should have been a lot more forceful from the start, particularly with developing Ricky. It sure would have been nice to know what we had after last season.

[Monster]

I think Rose talking about vets was more of a rant against a trend in the league than actually referring to the Wolves. In some ways even though he should have made a better qualifier most of the vets on the Wolves are not leaders. Thad Young sounds like THE leader and him being a young vet that does everything the right way was a big reason Flip brought him in. Simmons not understanding the Young trade I won't really rip on that becasue I get what he is saying he sees the Wolves in a total rebuild why trade for a young vet thats just decent for a year? Overall I think these videos they have been doing the past couple of years are pretty entertaining and Simmons and Rose have some interesting insights. I would get annoyed by just about anyone that spent 20 minutes talking about my Wolves from the national media.

I think they both make fun of Flip which is reasonable, but I think they also gave him a fair amount of props too. Honestly I thought they were gonna rip him worse. Flip is a legit basketball guy and they make a great point he hasn't really deserved the power he has, but its not like he is some unaccomplished dude with no resume. The fact that he is a Minnesota guy does make his position make alot of sense and the way he has handled everything from the Love trade to getting the young guys to the fair to Dunks after dark etc it seems like his history with the state could be very beneficial. Rose mentioned how teams need to be FA destinations and Flip is trying to really build up connections with these young guys. Will it work? If they don't win no, but damn I love what he is trying to do.

[alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]]

Loved the video and thought Simmons was pretty accurate in his depiction of the wolves. Can't believe how far off Rose is in his portrayal. Not only the lack of veterans talk, but then later he is in favor of not keeping Ricky, and suggests that Burke should have been kept to play with the rookies. Doesn't that completely contradict what he just stated about having vets.

He says Ricky isn't a blur, but yet when the NBA was measuring the advance metrics they had Ricky as the fastest guy down the court with the ball in his hands.

I agree completely with their take on Flip. What bothers me most is that Flip could have done things such as bringing in the shooting coach last season. Does anyone think Adelman would have made a fuss over something like that? Instead Flip sat on his hands, and has all but admitted that he didn't agree with signing Bud. Isn't that why he is POBO. So he can make those decisions. If you are going to do what the coach wants, why not let the coach just handle POBO duties. I Flip should have been a lot more forceful from the start, particularly with developing Ricky. It sure would have been nice to know what we had after last season.

What I never understood about the whole shooting coach thing, does none of the coaching staff ever work on shooting during the season? Seems like a big part of the game to not work on during practice over the coarse of the season.

[Phenom]

I agree with Flip that this isn't really a rebuilding situation. Teams that are rebuilding are in need of new core pieces and generally tank to get them. The Wolves skipped that step when they traded Love.

As for shooting coaches, the assistants most definitely should have been working on shooting with the players. They sucked at it, so Flip brought in someone new.

[60WinTim]

We have had a couple of "player development" coaches recently. Bobby Jackson, and then that Wisconsin guy (can't remember his name off the top of my head) before him.

[KiwiMatt]

Simmons and Rose at their contradicting best (or worst).

First they criticize Flip for trading MIA's (lottery protected) 1st for Thaddeus Young then later go on about this teams lack of veterans. Um wasn't that Flip's reason for making that trade, to acquire a veteran?

As funny as these two are they are far from good analysts.

[bleedspeed]

I watched it. It was a good balance of entertainment and review. I get where Rose is coming from. His vision of vets is likely different because of his playing days. He is thinking former stars. We don't have those. We have players that are still working to get there or just past peak.

[AbeVigodaLive]

I watched it. It was a good balance of entertainment and review. I get where Rose is coming from. His vision of vets is likely different because of his playing days. He is thinking former stars. We don't have those. We have players that are still working to get there or just past peak.

Somebody with clout. I think coaches face the same thing in the NBA.

"Why should I listen to you? What have you done?"

But some leaders are good, without ever being a good player. Sam Mitchell helped Garnett a lot early but was only an average player.