The Sobering Question: Who TRULY believes in Flip to rebuild this organization?

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KiwiMatt wrote:I think it's unfair to blame Flip.

He inherited a sinking ship with too many holes to fill and not enough resources to fix it.


Kiwi, its unfair to say flip didnt have resources to fix the team he inherited. He had the #9 pick. When ak opted out, he had cap space to use. He also inherited love,rubio and pek. Both dw and shved had more trade value when he got them than they do once the season started playing out.

What flip failed to do is to maximize the assets that he had and make the most out of it. Heres some examples..

1. Missing out on michael carter williams, the greek freak or even just keeping burke. Could flip swap williams+the 9th pick to sac for the 7th and draft mclemore? He could throw in the 26th pick as well to sac considering that we traded that pick away to save money. I know, mcw and burke are pg's but they are also the best prospects at the time. Mcw could have played together with rubio as well. We should be adding talent to the team instead of fits considering the guy he eventually drafted isnt a true sg and added to our logjam at sf.

Missing out on the greek freak and taking shabazz could come back to haunt us. The way flip sounded after taking bazz, sounding disappointed and all, why take him if your down on him and why not just gamble on antetoukompo instead?
Granted, we may still have the same record now if we chose mcw,burke,giannis or pull of a deal for mclemore but at least we would have a young player on the team for the future instead of having none right now.

2. The cap space with ak opting out.
Ive said it before back on the espn boards, we could have used the cap space in a sign and trade deal for a scoring wing instead of focusing on free agent sg's in martin/mayo/redick. We could have explore a trade for gay using williams, luke'expring deal, steimsma non guaranteed deal+the cap space we save. I always believe gay would have work here. Paired with a 3pt shooting love, pek inside and rubio at pg, gay wont have to shoot all those mid range game and he could play efficiently in adelmans offense. We probably wont sign brewer in this scenario but we could use the money to sign one or 2 of bellineli, gary neal, ellington,,morrow like 3pt specialists.

Flip had his chances, he chose to go the safe route with his choices. Im not saying what he did was bad, we are better now than we were before but still not good enough. And thats whats frustrating.
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alexftbl8181 wrote:
markkbu wrote:I am pretty confident that Flip has got us to the point, in his 1st year, where the Wolves will end the season with the best winning percentage that they have had in 9 years. So, to that extent, Flip appears to be rebuilding this franchise to win more than it has.


eh I don't think it's flip getting us there as it has Love being healthy

alexftbl8181 wrote:
markkbu wrote:I am pretty confident that Flip has got us to the point, in his 1st year, where the Wolves will end the season with the best winning percentage that they have had in 9 years. So, to that extent, Flip appears to be rebuilding this franchise to win more than it has.


eh I don't think it's flip getting us there as it has Love being healthy




Last year that Love was healthy we went 26-40. Our win % is much better this year.
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markkbu wrote:
alexftbl8181 wrote:
markkbu wrote:I am pretty confident that Flip has got us to the point, in his 1st year, where the Wolves will end the season with the best winning percentage that they have had in 9 years. So, to that extent, Flip appears to be rebuilding this franchise to win more than it has.


eh I don't think it's flip getting us there as it has Love being healthy

alexftbl8181 wrote:
markkbu wrote:I am pretty confident that Flip has got us to the point, in his 1st year, where the Wolves will end the season with the best winning percentage that they have had in 9 years. So, to that extent, Flip appears to be rebuilding this franchise to win more than it has.


eh I don't think it's flip getting us there as it has Love being healthy




Last year that Love was healthy we went 26-40. Our win % is much better this year.


Of course that year is when Rubio went down with his ACL. I believe we had a better record at that point than we do now.
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lipoli390 wrote:I don't think Flip has gotten us anywhere. If anyone hot us to our best record in years, it's mainly McHale who fleeced Memphis in the deal that landed Love and who drafted Pekovic in the second round.


Irony at its best!!

More irony is that this team is in the same position that McHale put them in during the KG years, capped out and lacking the resources to build around the star.
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bumpin this one
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Sometimes I feel like I'm in a parallel universe when I read the prevailing sentiment that the Saunders era has been a flop. Jeez, we won 9 more games than the previous year and provided some moments of excitement that frankly have been absent for several years. I haven't checked the standings and I'm not going to, but I would venture to say there weren't 5 teams that improved 9 games last year. The argument that Love's health was a major factor in the improvement has some validity, but offsetting that is the fact that we essentially played the 2013-14 season with an uninvolved coach who had basically checked out. And we had other injuries too. How can a nine game improvement and 40 point first quarters not satisfy some of you guys!

Were all of Flip's moves perfection...of course not. No GM is perfect, and all make mistakes. But he has built a team whose biggest negative right now is the likely departure of its only all star...and that's not his fault.

So, to answer the question in the thread title...I'm sober right now, and I trust Flip to rebuild this franchise. The Kevin Love situation he inherited will be a tremendous challenge, but I think that he will do everything he can to try to keep Kevin here, and if that fails, will do whatever he can to get the maximum return he can get for him.

I'm as frustrated as anyone about the long run of no playoffs. But the Flip hate seems completely misguided to me.
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Do I have faith in Flip? eh not really but with a few exceptions there are not many basketball minds out there i have faith in to save any team. I would put Flip right there with the average GMs or so until he proves worse. his moves last year were a mixed bag. Honestly other than getting nothing as a backup PG I am not sure what else he could have realistically done. Comparing Flip to Kahn is very unfair. In addition Flip has gone out and added a legit basketball mind in Milt Newton to help him in the front office. is Milt great? probably not, but he also doesn't suck. Kahn never got the right people around him and I have faith in Flip to not hire someone that will fail as bad as Rambis did. Basically I have faith in Flip not to totally screw up but I don't have faith in him to work some magic. I would actually have more faith in McHale if he was running the show right now becasue at least he is responsible for the drafting of the best players this franchise has ever selected.

I realize the good teams and organizations make their own luck but just one individual's journey with the team is an example of some tough luck the Wolves have had. Hoiberg was a fantastic piece for the Wolves and then he had heart problems and had to quit playing. Then we added him to the FO and just when we needed him more than anything when we added a new GM Kahn Fred left for Iowa State. Fred might have been a really good compliment to Kahn (he certainly would have helped alot) but we will never know.

I do agree that the blame to a certain extent does fall back on Glen. It seems he has made some poor choices over the years firing hiring or not hiring guys. Adding Flip was too comfortable of a hire he should have looked for a better replacement, but Flip isn't terrible so it could be worse. Thats sort of a pattern the team has had for quite a while now for leaders it has selected. I guess all there is left right now is hope for some luck in the draft and hope Flip exceeds expectations.
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