is this season REALLY been that big of disappointment?

[TAFKASP]

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[AbeVigodaLive]

You can't compare an NBA coach to a guy coaching in the NIT.

Sorry. It's apples to oranges.

[longstrangetrip [enjin:6600564]]

You can't compare an NBA coach to a guy coaching in the NIT.

Sorry. It's apples to oranges.

Can't agree with that, abe. There are some differences in coaching NBA vs college, but the fact that we are evaluating Fred Hoiberg's potential as an NBA coach based on his performance as a college coach shows many of us don't think they're two completely different kinds of fruit. NBA players might be a little more mature than college players, but every week a Dante or somebody else shows us there's not that much of a difference. Both college and pro coaching involve x's and o's, but they also involve psychology and how to get the most out of a group of volatile young men. And this is where I'll argue the style of the coach can have a major impact, whether college or pro. Troubled Royce White has spoken in glowing terms about Fred Hoiberg and said he would do anything for him, and his performance on the court reflected his trust in his coach. I don't know, of course, but I don't think many of the current Wolves have the same thoughts about Adelman. I will continue to think his bench style, either scowling or disengaged, has a lot to do with our poor play this year.

I'll double down on my analogy. We need a Fred Hoiberg, but instead we have a Tubby Smith...a legendary coach who is tired of the job and has lost the ability to motivate young men.

[horatio81 [enjin:7751176]]

Hm.

I agree that we were victims of the conference imbalance. And who knows, maybe they'll rectify that issue in the next 2-3 years (Silver seems to move pretty fast on this stuff).

At the same time, outside of some nagging bench injuries and Pek's (by this point) predictable absences, we were exceptionally healthy. Love, Rubio, most of our primary rotation guys - they were available the vast majority of nights. After several seasons of exceptionally hard luck on this front, it was disappointing to discover our roster still wasn't good enough to crack the playoffs.

Yes, we had our best season since KG (which tells you something about his value in his prime, huh? Something tells me he would have been a god with more advanced metrics at the time...). We saw a bit of promise, eventually, from our first rounders. We saw flashes of a dominant offensive squad here and there, although primarily versus the dregs.

But how stacked is the West! Of the 9 teams in front of us, how many can we count on to be any worse next season? How much better will the Pelicans become as Davis blossoms into a top three player? What if the Lakers do manage to reload? Why will Phoenix take a step back when they're loaded with youngsters, assets, and a top-flight coach? Is Memphis going anywhere so long as they have Gasol manning the middle? If anything, this conference is only going to get tougher over the next few years. Meanwhile, we don't have an abundance of avenues for improvement...

[alexftbl8181 [enjin:6648741]]

You can't compare an NBA coach to a guy coaching in the NIT.

Sorry. It's apples to oranges.

Can't agree with that, abe. There are some differences in coaching NBA vs college, but the fact that we are evaluating Fred Hoiberg's potential as an NBA coach based on his performance as a college coach shows many of us don't think they're two completely different kinds of fruit. NBA players might be a little more mature than college players, but every week a Dante or somebody else shows us there's not that much of a difference. Both college and pro coaching involve x's and o's, but they also involve psychology and how to get the most out of a group of volatile young men. And this is where I'll argue the style of the coach can have a major impact, whether college or pro. Troubled Royce White has spoken in glowing terms about Fred Hoiberg and said he would do anything for him,

doubt he'd fly out to see him

[thedoper]

I think this season is such a disappointment because of where we are with the overall state of our franchise. This season was all about proving to Love we have a great plan moving forward. We were healthy all season and didn't make the playoffs. I am not convinced we convinced our start that we are a competent franchise. We upped the pressure even more rather than strengthening our case by finally putting Love in the playoffs.

[Brandon BassHole [enjin:8183321]]

Tubby Smith actually did wonders with Texas Tech this year having a few upsets over ranked teams and dramtically surpassing expectations.. Then again a few of the basektball players transfered after the seaso one of them included Jordan Tolbert who was the considered their best player ....... :shock:

[AbeVigodaLive]

You can't compare an NBA coach to a guy coaching in the NIT.

Sorry. It's apples to oranges.

Can't agree with that, abe. There are some differences in coaching NBA vs college, but the fact that we are evaluating Fred Hoiberg's potential as an NBA coach based on his performance as a college coach shows many of us don't think they're two completely different kinds of fruit. NBA players might be a little more mature than college players, but every week a Dante or somebody else shows us there's not that much of a difference. Both college and pro coaching involve x's and o's, but they also involve psychology and how to get the most out of a group of volatile young men. And this is where I'll argue the style of the coach can have a major impact, whether college or pro. Troubled Royce White has spoken in glowing terms about Fred Hoiberg and said he would do anything for him, and his performance on the court reflected his trust in his coach. I don't know, of course, but I don't think many of the current Wolves have the same thoughts about Adelman. I will continue to think his bench style, either scowling or disengaged, has a lot to do with our poor play this year.

I'll double down on my analogy. We need a Fred Hoiberg, but instead we have a Tubby Smith...a legendary coach who is tired of the job and has lost the ability to motivate young men.

We can agree to disagree. Adelman isn't showing up in Dante's home, eating his mom's crappy meatloaf and telling her he'll take good care of her boy. Mold him into a man.

Dante Cunningham is already a millionaire. That's the difference. You tell a kid fresh out of high school who makes $0 money to do something... and it's a lot different than telling a millionaire barely old enough to legally drink that to do something even though he makes more than you and see the difference.

Coaching in the pros is very different than college because the coaches have to give up a lot of the control they would have at the lower level. And, even more importantly, finding completely different ways to motivate players at very different places in life.

I think Hoiberg is one of the few who could make it at both levels. He has the NBA background as a player and an executive. And as a successful coach in college. I think he's a rare breed, an anomaly.

This is not me trying to protect Adelman. I think he tuned out last year and is playing out the string. I'm just pointing out that expecting a Richard Pitino approach in the pros would lead to disaster.

Hell, couldn't we look at his dad, a very successful coach, and see that it doesn't translate well into the pros?