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In game flopping rule

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They are implementing an anti flopping rule in summer league that is different than the rule they put in place in 2012. Anyone remember what the impact was in 2012? I think them raining the theatrics in could make it a more enjoyable product.
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WallyBall wrote: Tue Jul 04, 2023 8:55 pm They are implementing an anti flopping rule in summer league that is different than the rule they put in place in 2012. Anyone remember what the impact was in 2012? I think them raining the theatrics in could make it a more enjoyable product.
It was a "point of emphasis"... very briefly.
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It's a dilemma. Because as a player if you don't flop to at least some degree, there won't be a call made because it may just appear in the moment to be the type of contact that occurs during the normal course of play. But if that guy I'm guarding uses his off arm to ward me off again, mmmmm, may be I'll just go with the momentum and not resist so much. Suddenly I'm launching myself backwards!

It does seem like the refs are much less tolerant of it in the playoffs.

Can they now be a little more strict with the whistle when a smaller, shorter player is guarding a big in the post?? It is truly criminal what kind of physicality is allowed by defenders in the post versus what they can do on the perimeter.
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I’m going to hate this rule. Can’t wait when Naz gets T upped for falling down on accident. At the end of the day it’s up to the ref to decide if the dude flopped or not and if they do it’s just a no call. Now they are going to add more points on a massive judgement call. This rule is in college and there is once a game a BS flop T comes out.
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I hear what your saying Q and Kek, but on the other hand guards hunt for fouls. As good as Steph is, he runs ahead of the player then hits the breaks to draw the contact. They all do it. Alternatively bigs get so many fouls for incidental post contact that defenders, I’m looking at you PJ Tucker, initiate. It’s acting built into the game.

People playing soccer have done it for years. flailing around and laying on the ground for 5 minutes writhing in pain prior to popping up for the next play seemingly healed from their devastating injuries.

I see a lot more of this in NBA basketball players recently, especially last year.
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WallyBall wrote: Wed Jul 05, 2023 1:29 pm I hear what your saying Q and Kek, but on the other hand guards hunt for fouls. As good as Steph is, he runs ahead of the player then hits the breaks to draw the contact. They all do it. Alternatively bigs get so many fouls for incidental post contact that defenders, I’m looking at you PJ Tucker, initiate. It’s acting built into the game.

People playing soccer have done it for years. flailing around and laying on the ground for 5 minutes writhing in pain prior to popping up for the next play seemingly healed from their devastating injuries.

I see a lot more of this in NBA basketball players recently, especially last year.
They did some things this last season to take away some of those cheap fouls. Jump shooters can’t initiate contact like they had before. You couldn’t just hit the breaks in the middle of the floor in front of a guy you got called for a foul. It’s not perfect whatsoever but they made some things better.

Calling flops is really subjective. I get where kek is coming from and kind of agree with his take. I remember being happy a few years ago when they added the clear path foul thing. It didn’t take long for me to hate it. The reviews took forever and often didn’t make a whole lot of sense. Officials have to make calls based on the rules they have. One example is what is or isn’t a flagrant foul? I am sure it’s an incredibly difficult league to officiate. Players are always gonna find ways to get any advantage they can. I for sure have sold calls but I was selling actual fouls not making them up. I’m not gonna let official totally off the hook either and the league needs to keep looking at ways to find ways to direct the game to the best version of it. That’s not gonna be easy and they may do some stuff that doesn’t work. Having a legit g-league is a good testing ground for some of these things and it’s also likely a great way to develop officials too.
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SOMETHING needs to be done with the flopping.

It's getting worse, and worse, and worse.

I'm all for anything the NBA tries to make it less of an issue. And I've been railing on and on and on about the post player vs. wing in the post for years. The wing can club, punch, wail, shove, hurl, and brutalize the big... and then the moment that big turns around and his shoulder makes contact... the wing flops directly to the ground. Karl Anthony Towns' voice is 9 octaves higher right now discussing his excitement for this. (Little does he know he'll still get called for more flops than his defender.)



[Note: For what it's worth, I think Curry is around #150 for egregious NBA floppers. There are so many guys who are much much worse.]
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Reading more about it... I get the concern that this won't work.

I agree that they seem to be relying far too much on in-game officials in the heat of the moment to make these calls... the same guys in the same situations who have been fooled for years by the same antics by the same players in exactly the same ways game after game after game.

It's going to be a shitshow and NBA fans will still be bitching online after games about inconsistent flopping calls. (But I think that's actually what the NBA in 2023 wants.)

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A better approach in my opinion is to retroactively call these flops. Add them up like technicals and give repeat offenders real consequences. And publicly shame these players by sharing a daily list of floppers.

Imagine the scorn coming Trae Young's, or James Harden's, or Marcus Smart's, or Joel Embiid's way when they're listed as flopping 83 times last season upon further review. It adds a tangible, measurable number to it so there's less debate.
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First game of the new rule guy gets hit in the face and is given a technical.

https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/stat ... _u6IL2a9cQ

I get what people are saying about the flopping above but this rule is so trash in college
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kekgeek wrote: Thu Jul 06, 2023 7:55 am First game of the new rule guy gets hit in the face and is given a technical.

https://twitter.com/bleacherreport/stat ... _u6IL2a9cQ

I get what people are saying about the flopping above but this rule is so trash in college
I'm more in a wait-and-see mode, but I generally trust your instincts on this stuff. I think the right call in the play you posted would have been no call. It seems like the contact to the face was incidental and the reaction was....may be slightly dramatized, but we've seen far worse!

My hope is that they call this really tight to start with (even if a little too strict like the play you posted), but then once players get the message, the refs loosen up a bit and don't over-rotate.
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