Wolves SL GDT 1

[Monster]

Ok read through the thread.

Q DJ Carton didn’t wow like I think both of us may have thought but he also looked solid. I thought he did some god things as a defender. Williams clearly has a leg up on him for a roster spot though after this game.

Also another thing about Williams I thought it was interesting that he was clearly the primary PG when he was out there. He should be based on what we saw but it’s also clear they want More to be able to play some PG still. If I was the Wolbes and I thought Williams might make my roster I would want to see if he can actually play PG. game 1 looks good in that regard. I’ll say that one thing the Wolves could use on their roster is a guard that can give the wolves some juice in scoring further down the roster. Maybe Williams could be that type of guy.

The broadcast crew was driving me nuts with the “Miller was the Wolves only draft pick” Jaylen Clark was literally sitting on the bench. Yes he is not playing but they did draft him. Otherwise I thought it was great to listen to those guys it seems like they actually know the players. Steve Smith is usually pretty good and like a I say usually actually knows a lot of these players. He is basically a basketball junkie.

Lip I’m not sure Minott has the physicality to guard any permititer position in the NBA. Part of why he can’t stay square is he just doesn’t quite have that ability to move his feet quick enough. There is some awkwardness there too. This doesn’t mean he can’t play SF and switch onto guys sometimes but he isn’t a McDaniels type defender. McDaniels moves like a guard.

That awkwardness is one of the things that tempers my enthusiasm for Minott. He can get there, but he has a long ways to go.

I definitely see the awkwardness. He has the quickness, but he needs to hone his instincts. He definitely has a ways to go. Although a year younger, Miller looked closer than Minott to being NBA ready. Not saying he’s currently NBA ready. But in contrast to Minott, Miller has terrific body control and just seems to have a better command of his skill set. I’d say Miller’s a year away. Minott is probably a couple years away.

I think Minott is a guy that could possibly be ready for some minutes here and there depending on matchups. I can’t think of one off the top of my head but the Wolves did throw him out there as a defender every once in a while at end of quarter defensive possessions. Nothing I saw in the game diminished how I feel about Minott in fact I probably feel a little better about his ability to guard on the perimeter than I was before despite some flaws there. I still don’t consider him a wing though I consider him a versatile forward. I don’t find that to be a problem.

[Monster]

Anyone that wants to watch this summer league game could try basketball-video .com I heard there was summer league games on there.

Has anyone used their NBA league pass to watch summer league games this year?

I have League Pass and I appeared to have access to the game, but my browser got a bit glitchy where screen froze up, so I gave up and had more luck with watching it on ESPN3, which should be available if you have a cable subscription that includes ESPN. There is also replay option and I was able to watch the beginning of the game which I had missed.

Thanks for the response. It wasn’t clear to me if I purchased the league pass package whether I would actually have access to the summer league games. I don’t have a subscription to any live TV so I don’t have access to ESPN…well I guess I have ESPN+ now I almost forgot about getting that with a Hulu Disney plus package. It was only $5 more to add Disney plus and ESPN to my wife’s current Hulu subscription.

Your experience is why I typically don’t watch games live. Streams don’t always seem to work well and I get annoyed trying to watch them so I pretty much just watch later plus I can watch games more quickly skipping through commercials speeding up parts etc.

[Q-is-here]

That awkwardness is one of the things that tempers my enthusiasm for Minott. He can get there, but he has a long ways to go.

I definitely see the awkwardness. He has the quickness, but he needs to hone his instincts. He definitely has a ways to go. Although a year younger, Miller looked closer than Minott to being NBA ready. Not saying he’s currently NBA ready. But in contrast to Minott, Miller has terrific body control and just seems to have a better command of his skill set. I’d say Miller’s a year away. Minott is probably a couple years away.

I think Minott is a guy that could possibly be ready for some minutes here and there depending on matchups. I can’t think of one off the top of my head but the Wolves did throw him out there as a defender every once in a while at end of quarter defensive possessions. Nothing I saw in the game diminished how I feel about Minott in fact I probably feel a little better about his ability to guard on the perimeter than I was before despite some flaws there. I still don’t consider him a wing though I consider him a versatile forward. I don’t find that to be a problem.

It's summer league so they are using it a bit as a laboratory for what could be possible. As a result, this is the second summer league in a row where WMJ spends a lot of time on the ball and as a shot taker. Minott started this game at SF guarding on the perimeter even though he played exclusively PF and even a little C in Iowa.

To me the key for both these guys is: Can you make open 3s? Ant's game on offense will only be maximized when he has at least three other guys on the floor - and ideally 4 - with him that command respect from beyond the arc.

Minott can do all sorts of fun stuff in transition and as a cutter, but he will never be a plus player on both ends if he can't hit open 3s. That's even more the case with Moore, Jr.

[mjs34]

Not to be too contrarian, but I think you guys are being too hard on Wendell. He started out pretty rocky — had a hard time adjusting to having Dyson Daniels draped all over him. Daniels, let’s face it, is a fucking stud and is going to be an all star at some point. But then Moore settled down and was instrumental to the win in the second half. Good defense, led both teams in assists, went 3-4 shooting in the 4th, including two 3pt’ers.

Fair enough - we did win the minutes that he played. The problem is he doesn't get a lot of benefit of the doubt at this point. The guy had 3 years at Duke, was picked in the first round, and is now entering his second year. He is one of the older drafted players in the summer league, so a lot should be expected of him against this level of competition. The clock is kind of ticking for him.

I just don't see the drive in Moore. He seems to have a good tool set, but I would expect he should be tearing it up against this competition. He reminds me a lot of Wiggins with less talent. You can't teach what he is missing.

[Carlos Danger]

Not to be too contrarian, but I think you guys are being too hard on Wendell. He started out pretty rocky — had a hard time adjusting to having Dyson Daniels draped all over him. Daniels, let’s face it, is a fucking stud and is going to be an all star at some point. But then Moore settled down and was instrumental to the win in the second half. Good defense, led both teams in assists, went 3-4 shooting in the 4th, including two 3pt’ers.

Fair enough - we did win the minutes that he played. The problem is he doesn't get a lot of benefit of the doubt at this point. The guy had 3 years at Duke, was picked in the first round, and is now entering his second year. He is one of the older drafted players in the summer league, so a lot should be expected of him against this level of competition. The clock is kind of ticking for him.

This is the second time I've read someone on here seem to imply Moore Jr. is "older". Is he really though? Dude is 21 (soon to be 22). When I look at our Summer Roster, I see 10 guys older than him (23/24 year olds) and only 6 younger than him. So...yeah, he's not the youngest. But I certainly don't consider him "older". Consider age when drafted:

Moore Jr. 21
Wes Johnson - 23
Robbie Hummel - 24
Gorguie Dieng - 24
Kris Dunn - 22

I fully realize that's not a list of future HOF guys - ha! But, I'm with Sundog. I'm still holding out a sliver of hope he can develop and give us some productive minutes.

[Lipoli390]

Not to be too contrarian, but I think you guys are being too hard on Wendell. He started out pretty rocky — had a hard time adjusting to having Dyson Daniels draped all over him. Daniels, let’s face it, is a fucking stud and is going to be an all star at some point. But then Moore settled down and was instrumental to the win in the second half. Good defense, led both teams in assists, went 3-4 shooting in the 4th, including two 3pt’ers.

Fair enough - we did win the minutes that he played. The problem is he doesn't get a lot of benefit of the doubt at this point. The guy had 3 years at Duke, was picked in the first round, and is now entering his second year. He is one of the older drafted players in the summer league, so a lot should be expected of him against this level of competition. The clock is kind of ticking for him.

This is the second time I've read someone on here seem to imply Moore Jr. is "older". Is he really though? Dude is 21 (soon to be 22). When I look at our Summer Roster, I see 10 guys older than him (23/24 year olds) and only 6 younger than him. So...yeah, he's not the youngest. But I certainly don't consider him "older". Consider age when drafted:

Moore Jr. 21
Wes Johnson - 23
Robbie Hummel - 24
Gorguie Dieng - 24
Kris Dunn - 22

I fully realize that's not a list of future HOF guys - ha! But, I'm with Sundog. I'm still holding out a sliver of hope he can develop and give us some productive minutes.

I’m also among the few who haven’t given up on Moore. But I don’t think age is as relevant as post high school experience. I cut Moore some slack based on his age, but his failure to impress after three years of Division I NCAA experience plus a full year of G-League play is troubling. That’s four years of post high-school experience. Moreover, Moore lacks any tantalizing upside. In contrast, when you watch Miller or Minott you see raw physical abilities that indicate huge mouth-watering upside. Moore offers none of that. In fact, Finch again the other day referred to Moore in very understated terms like “complementary player.” Brandon Williams has one less year of post high school experience than Moore, but has elite blow-by speed and ball-handling ability along with true PG skills that give him a tantalizing upside potential and positional value Moore doesn’t provide. If I could take away Moore’s contract and give it to Brandon Williams I’d do it in a heartbeat. Of course, there are many other players I’d prefer over Williams if I could give Moore’s contract to anyone. . But you get the point.

I like that the organization is forcing Moore to be a primary ball-handler. I think the organization knows that’s his best hope of sticking as an NBA player. I keep clinging to the fact that Moore was a late-bloomer in college. Maybe we’ll see the same trajectory at the professional level. If nothing else, Moore has a great wingspan and everyone on this Board knows what that means to me.

[Monster]

Fair enough - we did win the minutes that he played. The problem is he doesn't get a lot of benefit of the doubt at this point. The guy had 3 years at Duke, was picked in the first round, and is now entering his second year. He is one of the older drafted players in the summer league, so a lot should be expected of him against this level of competition. The clock is kind of ticking for him.

This is the second time I've read someone on here seem to imply Moore Jr. is "older". Is he really though? Dude is 21 (soon to be 22). When I look at our Summer Roster, I see 10 guys older than him (23/24 year olds) and only 6 younger than him. So...yeah, he's not the youngest. But I certainly don't consider him "older". Consider age when drafted:

Moore Jr. 21
Wes Johnson - 23
Robbie Hummel - 24
Gorguie Dieng - 24
Kris Dunn - 22

I fully realize that's not a list of future HOF guys - ha! But, I'm with Sundog. I'm still holding out a sliver of hope he can develop and give us some productive minutes.

I’m also among the few who haven’t given up on Moore. But I don’t think age is as relevant as post high school experience. I cut Moore some slack based on his age, but his failure to impress after three years of Division I NCAA experience plus a full year of G-League play is troubling. That’s four years of post high-school experience. Moreover, Moore lacks any tantalizing upside. In contrast, when you watch Miller or Minott you see raw physical abilities that indicate huge mouth-watering upside. Moore offers none of that. In fact, Finch again the other day referred to Moore in very understated terms like “complementary player.” Brandon Williams has one less year of post high school experience than Moore, but has elite blow-by speed and ball-handling ability along with true PG skills that give him a tantalizing upside potential and positional value Moore doesn’t provide. If I could take away Moore’s contract and give it to Brandon Williams I’d do it in a heartbeat. Of course, there are many other players I’d prefer over Williams if I could give Moore’s contract to anyone. . But you get the point.

I like that the organization is forcing Moore to be a primary ball-handler. I think the organization knows that’s his best hope of sticking as an NBA player. I keep clinging to the fact that Moore was a late-bloomer in college. Maybe we’ll see the same trajectory at the professional level. If nothing else, Moore has a great wingspan and everyone on this Board knows what that means to me.

Player 1

4 rebounds 2 assists 2 blocks 1 steal 6 fouls.

Player 2

4 rebounds 6 assists 1 block 1 steal 2 fouls

Player 3

3 rebounds 0 assists 1 block 1 steal 2 fouls

What would you take from these stats of these 3 players?

[Monster]

Rewatching this game. Here are some thoughts aside from what I saw the first time watching. I spent a lot of my time watching Moore to see if he sucked or not. Lol

1st half

Moore was scored on just once it was near the end of the half Daniel’s got to the basket after Moore was picked off on what was IMO a pretty good screen.

Of the shots Williams missed only one was blocked and it was a blown layup.

Minott has been getting scored on by Daniels.

Wheeler had solid minutes in the first half.

2nd half

Minott with the block on Daniels, Moore gets the rebound and push to a cutting Minott who finished. That’s the kind of thing that everyone excites about Minott. He had 4 points in the 2nd half.

Moore allowed scoring to happen on 2 fouls. The first was a fast break he nearly broke up. Replay looked cleaner to me than Smitty thought but regardless it wasn’t just a take foul IMO. The 2nd was a foul on Hawkins in the corner which the Wolves unsuccessfully challenged.

Overall thoughts.

Bowen was mostly excellent in his minutes. This shouldn’t be much of a surprise.

Minott moved his feet well on the perimeter I think one problem is whether he can navigate screens out there. I’m looking forward to seeing more of him guarding out there even if there were times Daniels got him. Late on in the game Minott forced him into a travel and had that block.

Wheeler had some solid minutes. It will be interesting who they rotate into some of the backup spots. Some other guys like Hunt and Cook looked…not too great.

Moore was handed at least 3 late clock grenades. He took the most shots of anyone on the roster. You can consider that good or bad. He didn’t hesitate when he got the ball for an open 3 despite shooting poorly from 3 overall. He did struggle scoring in the half court but he did make some nice plays for others. He played a lot of PG which isn’t that different from what he seemed to do in the G-league. It’s worth remembering if he can play some sort of competent level of PG he is over 6’5” with a wingspan over 7’ and looks to play defense well. That’s still an interesting player that hasn’t turned 22 yet. He also did some nice things in transition.

Moore often wasn’t the guy playing the best player like Minott was often being asked to do on Daniels but he looked good on D. Moore created multiple turnovers with his D and often whoever he was matched up with tried to make a move and often ended up moving the ball elsewhere. It would be interesting to see what he would have looked like if he was guarding Daniels most of the game.

Hawkins for NO looked better watching the game back.

[Lipoli390]

This is the second time I've read someone on here seem to imply Moore Jr. is "older". Is he really though? Dude is 21 (soon to be 22). When I look at our Summer Roster, I see 10 guys older than him (23/24 year olds) and only 6 younger than him. So...yeah, he's not the youngest. But I certainly don't consider him "older". Consider age when drafted:

Moore Jr. 21
Wes Johnson - 23
Robbie Hummel - 24
Gorguie Dieng - 24
Kris Dunn - 22

I fully realize that's not a list of future HOF guys - ha! But, I'm with Sundog. I'm still holding out a sliver of hope he can develop and give us some productive minutes.

I’m also among the few who haven’t given up on Moore. But I don’t think age is as relevant as post high school experience. I cut Moore some slack based on his age, but his failure to impress after three years of Division I NCAA experience plus a full year of G-League play is troubling. That’s four years of post high-school experience. Moreover, Moore lacks any tantalizing upside. In contrast, when you watch Miller or Minott you see raw physical abilities that indicate huge mouth-watering upside. Moore offers none of that. In fact, Finch again the other day referred to Moore in very understated terms like “complementary player.” Brandon Williams has one less year of post high school experience than Moore, but has elite blow-by speed and ball-handling ability along with true PG skills that give him a tantalizing upside potential and positional value Moore doesn’t provide. If I could take away Moore’s contract and give it to Brandon Williams I’d do it in a heartbeat. Of course, there are many other players I’d prefer over Williams if I could give Moore’s contract to anyone. . But you get the point.

I like that the organization is forcing Moore to be a primary ball-handler. I think the organization knows that’s his best hope of sticking as an NBA player. I keep clinging to the fact that Moore was a late-bloomer in college. Maybe we’ll see the same trajectory at the professional level. If nothing else, Moore has a great wingspan and everyone on this Board knows what that means to me.

Player 1

4 rebounds 2 assists 2 blocks 1 steal 6 fouls.

Player 2

4 rebounds 6 assists 1 block 1 steal 2 fouls

Player 3

3 rebounds 0 assists 1 block 1 steal 2 fouls

What would you take from these stats of these 3 players?

The guy I wouldn’t take is the one who hit only 5 of 18 (38%) from the field and 3 of 12 (28%) from behind the arc after three years of college ball and a full year of G-League competition and who doesn’t appear to have any elite physical attributes or skills other than the same wingspan as Josh Okogie.

The guy with 6 fouls would intrigue me if I knew that guy (a) scored 20 points on 54% shooting in that game; (b) is an elite 6’8” athlete; and (c) averaged 20.6 points, 7.2 rebounds, and 1.2 blocks in his first G-League season after only one year of college ball during which he played sparingly.

But the two guys I’d be most interested in aren’t on your list. One of my two favorites would be the guy who had 16 points on 63% FG shooting and 50% (2-4) three-point shooting while also grabbing 11 rebounds in only 24 minutes and committing zero fouls. I’d be especially interested in him if I learned that he has elite vertical length and athleticism along with the handle of a guard in a 6’9 body and is only 19 years old with only one year of post-high school playing experience. The other guy I’d be most interested in would the guy who scored 24 points on 57% FG shooting as a guard and who also has elite blow-by speed along with a superb handle.

The guy with 0 rebounds and 3 assists doesn’t interest me unless he had some other impressive stat in the game and/or has some elite physical characteristics or skill.

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[Monster]

I’m also among the few who haven’t given up on Moore. But I don’t think age is as relevant as post high school experience. I cut Moore some slack based on his age, but his failure to impress after three years of Division I NCAA experience plus a full year of G-League play is troubling. That’s four years of post high-school experience. Moreover, Moore lacks any tantalizing upside. In contrast, when you watch Miller or Minott you see raw physical abilities that indicate huge mouth-watering upside. Moore offers none of that. In fact, Finch again the other day referred to Moore in very understated terms like “complementary player.” Brandon Williams has one less year of post high school experience than Moore, but has elite blow-by speed and ball-handling ability along with true PG skills that give him a tantalizing upside potential and positional value Moore doesn’t provide. If I could take away Moore’s contract and give it to Brandon Williams I’d do it in a heartbeat. Of course, there are many other players I’d prefer over Williams if I could give Moore’s contract to anyone. . But you get the point.

I like that the organization is forcing Moore to be a primary ball-handler. I think the organization knows that’s his best hope of sticking as an NBA player. I keep clinging to the fact that Moore was a late-bloomer in college. Maybe we’ll see the same trajectory at the professional level. If nothing else, Moore has a great wingspan and everyone on this Board knows what that means to me.

Player 1

4 rebounds 2 assists 2 blocks 1 steal 6 fouls.

Player 2

4 rebounds 6 assists 1 block 1 steal 2 fouls

Player 3

3 rebounds 0 assists 1 block 1 steal 2 fouls

What would you take from these stats of these 3 players?

The guy I wouldn’t take is the one who hit only 5 of 18 (38%) from the field and 3 of 12 (28%) from behind the arc after three years of college ball and a full year of G-League competition and who doesn’t appear to have any elite physical attributes or skills other than the same wingspan as Josh Okogie.

The guy with 6 fouls would intrigue me if I knew that guy (a) scored 20 points on 54% shooting in that game; (b) is an elite 6’8” athlete; and (c) averaged 20.6 points, 7.2 rebounds, and 1.2 blocks in his first G-League season after only one year of college ball during which he played sparingly.

But the two guys I’d be most interested in aren’t on your list. One of my two favorites would be the guy who had 16 points on 63% FG shooting and 50% (2-4) three-point shooting while also grabbing 11 rebounds in only 24 minutes and committing zero fouls. I’d be especially interested in him if I learned that he has elite vertical length and athleticism along with the handle of a guard in a 6’9 body and is only 19 years old with only one year of post-high school playing experience. The other guy I’d be most interested in would the guy who scored 24 points on 57% FG shooting as a guard and who also has elite blow-by speed along with a superb handle.

The guy with 0 rebounds and 3 assists doesn’t interest me unless he had some other impressive stat in the game and/or has some elite physical characteristics or skill.

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So…the guy with all those awesome physical characteristics grabbed as many rebounds as the guy that underwhelms you? Disappointing right?

Might want to review player 3’s stats as you listed them wrong. He also went 4-5 en route to 10 points and only played 15 minutes compared to 28 for the other guys.

Anyway let’s see how the rest of these games play out.

Edit:

Just to clarify I’m In no way suggesting Minott is as good of a prospect as Moore. I also think Minott is the better prospect. My point here was that viewing Minott as the superior prospect maybe that doesn’t give Moore his due for some good things he did in this game. To me I’m probably viewing Moore as the 2nd round level of prospect and Minott as more of a first round level of talent. 2 other guards this board was interested in in the first round one has already been cut and the other trades twice this offseason and Ty Ty had multiple 30+ games in the G-league. Let’s see what the wing sized Moore continues to do as a guy that plays a lot of PG for this squad in SL. We all hope to see something Better than game 1.