Timberwolves Trade Deadline Feb. 8

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then why not just waive Nix and sign a G Leaguer who will be more than willing to shoot?
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From Brett Siegel of Clutch Points:

"Hawks veteran Bogdan Bogdanovic has drawn attention from the Minnesota Timberwolves in recent weeks, sources said. However, Minnesota's cap situation and Bogdanovic's contract do not line up well. In attempts to upgrade their roster, the Timberwolves have shown a level of willingness to discuss Kyle Anderson's future, seeing as he is in the final year of his contract."

Not sure this ends up working out, but this is the type of move and defense vs. offense tradeoff that the front office is weighing right now. Now this guy is a legit high volume 3-point shooter. Career 44% from the corners, including 49% this year. Positive net rating and positive net on/off rating for four consecutive seasons. He absolutely MUST be guarded beyond the arc.
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Q-is-here wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:21 pm From Brett Siegel of Clutch Points:

"Hawks veteran Bogdan Bogdanovic has drawn attention from the Minnesota Timberwolves in recent weeks, sources said. However, Minnesota's cap situation and Bogdanovic's contract do not line up well. In attempts to upgrade their roster, the Timberwolves have shown a level of willingness to discuss Kyle Anderson's future, seeing as he is in the final year of his contract."

Not sure this ends up working out, but this is the type of move and defense vs. offense tradeoff that the front office is weighing right now. Now this guy is a legit high volume 3-point shooter. Career 44% from the corners, including 49% this year. Positive net rating and positive net on/off rating for four consecutive seasons. He absolutely MUST be guarded beyond the arc.
That's an interesting one, Q. Although, I am guessing it is part smoke, part due diligence. Apart from the inferred skill set the Wolves might be pursuing, I find it interesting that the Wolves may have shown interest in that kind of salary. I mean, that's more than a SloMo trade!

So I'll say this: could interest in this kind of salary indicate a potential trade of one of our higher salary players?
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60WinTim wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 9:48 pm
Q-is-here wrote: Tue Jan 30, 2024 8:21 pm From Brett Siegel of Clutch Points:

"Hawks veteran Bogdan Bogdanovic has drawn attention from the Minnesota Timberwolves in recent weeks, sources said. However, Minnesota's cap situation and Bogdanovic's contract do not line up well. In attempts to upgrade their roster, the Timberwolves have shown a level of willingness to discuss Kyle Anderson's future, seeing as he is in the final year of his contract."

Not sure this ends up working out, but this is the type of move and defense vs. offense tradeoff that the front office is weighing right now. Now this guy is a legit high volume 3-point shooter. Career 44% from the corners, including 49% this year. Positive net rating and positive net on/off rating for four consecutive seasons. He absolutely MUST be guarded beyond the arc.
That's an interesting one, Q. Although, I am guessing it is part smoke, part due diligence. Apart from the inferred skill set the Wolves might be pursuing, I find it interesting that the Wolves may have shown interest in that kind of salary. I mean, that's more than a SloMo trade!

So I'll say this: could interest in this kind of salary indicate a potential trade of one of our higher salary players?
Yeah, I think it's due diligence and not some imminent deal. But you have to believe that TC is working the phones and turning over every stone. We need a vet ball handler and/or shooter. We can't go into the playoffs with the #19 ranked offense and just assume we can win a series based on defense alone - it simply has to change.

Bogdan certainly checks the shooting box. Taking on salary from a team looking to rebuild or blow things up is the only way we're going to get this kind of player, right?

Kyle Anderson - $9.2M
Shake Milton - $5M
TBJ - $4M
WMJ - $2.4M
Little Mac - $2.3M

Those are the salaries that are expiring or have a team option next season I believe (I'm assuming Conley is off the table).
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Speaking of Bogdanovic, he came off Atlanta's bench earlier tonight and scored 18 points in 25 minutes, getting up 9 3s and making 4 of them. That's what I'm talking about!
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Bogdanovic can shoot, but he can't defend...I would not be in favor of giving up anyone in our current rotation to get him. This team is built on defense, and he doesn't bring anything there. And with a team 3-point average of 39.1% (second only to the Clippers 39.2%), more three-point shooting doesn't seem to be much of a need. I say no.
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FNG wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:46 am Bogdanovic can shoot, but he can't defend...I would not be in favor of giving up anyone in our current rotation to get him. This team is built on defense, and he doesn't bring anything there. And with a team 3-point average of 39.1% (second only to the Clippers 39.2%), more three-point shooting doesn't seem to be much of a need. I say no.
C'mon FNG, you can't just look at 3 pt%! You're smart enough to know that volume matters too. We simply don't take enough and teams are going to continue to clog the paint to prevent Ant, KAT, and Gobert from getting buckets at the rim. A clear example of this is Kyle Anderson, whose horrible 3pt% hardly weighs down the team 3pt% because he hardly takes any. And he is clearly hurting the offense!

I do agree that there is a defensive dropoff if Kyle gets swapped out for a 3-pt sniper like Bogdan, so I myself am on the fence with that tradeoff. But go look at Bogdan's net rating and net on/off rating for the past four seasons. Obviously whatever he is doing is leading to winning basketball, so his defense can't be THAT bad.
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Coming up to the one week count down. Still not seeing too much buzz out there. This article is about a day old:

https://www.si.com/nba/timberwolves/new ... out-market
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Q-is-here wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:51 am
FNG wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:46 am Bogdanovic can shoot, but he can't defend...I would not be in favor of giving up anyone in our current rotation to get him. This team is built on defense, and he doesn't bring anything there. And with a team 3-point average of 39.1% (second only to the Clippers 39.2%), more three-point shooting doesn't seem to be much of a need. I say no.
C'mon FNG, you can't just look at 3 pt%! You're smart enough to know that volume matters too. We simply don't take enough and teams are going to continue to clog the paint to prevent Ant, KAT, and Gobert from getting buckets at the rim. A clear example of this is Kyle Anderson, whose horrible 3pt% hardly weighs down the team 3pt% because he hardly takes any. And he is clearly hurting the offense!

I do agree that there is a defensive dropoff if Kyle gets swapped out for a 3-pt sniper like Bogdan, so I myself am on the fence with that tradeoff. But go look at Bogdan's net rating and net on/off rating for the past four seasons. Obviously whatever he is doing is leading to winning basketball, so his defense can't be THAT bad.
Q, I agree that volume matters, and Kyle doesn't help there at all. But Kyle helps out in so many other ways...not only has he been a terrific defender this season, but he is also a key part of Finchie's offensive design against zone defenses. Kyle immediately moves into the lane when an opponent goes zone, and has been very good in distributing in that role.

All that said, there's no question that Bogdanovic's shooting would be a great help off the bench. But when I look at the five players we would have to give up to match salaries, I think this trade would leave us with a deleted bench. Not to mention I don't like the idea of shaking things up when we are in first place. Interesting idea, but I still would be opposed.
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FNG wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:38 am
Q-is-here wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 7:51 am
FNG wrote: Wed Jan 31, 2024 6:46 am Bogdanovic can shoot, but he can't defend...I would not be in favor of giving up anyone in our current rotation to get him. This team is built on defense, and he doesn't bring anything there. And with a team 3-point average of 39.1% (second only to the Clippers 39.2%), more three-point shooting doesn't seem to be much of a need. I say no.
C'mon FNG, you can't just look at 3 pt%! You're smart enough to know that volume matters too. We simply don't take enough and teams are going to continue to clog the paint to prevent Ant, KAT, and Gobert from getting buckets at the rim. A clear example of this is Kyle Anderson, whose horrible 3pt% hardly weighs down the team 3pt% because he hardly takes any. And he is clearly hurting the offense!

I do agree that there is a defensive dropoff if Kyle gets swapped out for a 3-pt sniper like Bogdan, so I myself am on the fence with that tradeoff. But go look at Bogdan's net rating and net on/off rating for the past four seasons. Obviously whatever he is doing is leading to winning basketball, so his defense can't be THAT bad.
Q, I agree that volume matters, and Kyle doesn't help there at all. But Kyle helps out in so many other ways...not only has he been a terrific defender this season, but he is also a key part of Finchie's offensive design against zone defenses. Kyle immediately moves into the lane when an opponent goes zone, and has been very good in distributing in that role.

All that said, there's no question that Bogdanovic's shooting would be a great help off the bench. But when I look at the five players we would have to give up to match salaries, I think this trade would leave us with a deleted bench. Not to mention I don't like the idea of shaking things up when we are in first place. Interesting idea, but I still would be opposed.
which goes back to this team having no urgency to seek players either from G League or off the scrap heap who can help.


Daishen Nix is a PG who can't sniff the floor when we desperately could use one. Why is he still here? We need three point shooting any way we can find it, yet we don't seek it out. This team has guys who look great in G-League only for the Iowa Wolves to still be 3-11. I just don't see what is being accomplished there.
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