Just how much do the Timberwolves know about gambling?

[AbeVigodaLive]

The last-second shot by McDaniels was egregious. If not for Edwards dunk... it would be the talk of the day.

It was bush league.

But it swung A LOT of money. You see the line was -7.5... and that took it from a 7 point to 10 point game.



[Note: We know Gobert's accusations... and that came in a game that was also right up against the betting lines. Gobert knew that.]

[FNG]

Ok, I'm clearly in the non-conspiracy camp here, so these comments must be taken from that perspective. I'm also not a fan of most "unwritten rules" in sports.

I heard the Utah fans booing when Jaden took that shot...they were reacting to the combination of a crappy season and a violation of one of these unwritten rules. And I'm sure a lot of them also lost a bet on Utah plus the points because of that shot. But I'm 99% sure Jaden took that shot because Ant told him to, so that perhaps he could get his confidence back after missing 18 in a row. Did you see Ant going up and hugging Jaden after the shot? Jaden has a lot to worry about these days with his poor offensive play, and I doubt there's any room in that head of his for betting lines in he heat of action. Maybe making that shot makes Jaden feel a little more comfortable about the next shot he takes...tonight in a much more important game. And that to me is much more important than offending a bunch of Utah fans.

And here's why I'm 99% certain this had nothing to do with gambling. If the Wolves knew what the line was, and if they had some kind of interest in covering the spread, why in the hell would they try to do it on a 3-point shot by a guy who had missed 18 in a row? Utah was playing no defense and there was plenty of time on the court. Ant could have driven in for an uncontested layup that also would have covered the spread.

Again, this is coming from a guy who just doesn't believe athletes making millions have much interest in risking their careers in order to win a bet.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Ok, I'm clearly in the non-conspiracy camp here, so these comments must be taken from that perspective. I'm also not a fan of most "unwritten rules" in sports.

I heard the Utah fans booing when Jaden took that shot...they were reacting to the combination of a crappy season and a violation of one of these unwritten rules. And I'm sure a lot of them also lost a bet on Utah plus the points because of that shot. But I'm 99% sure Jaden took that shot because Ant told him to, so that perhaps he could get his confidence back after missing 18 in a row. Did you see Ant going up and hugging Jaden after the shot? Jaden has a lot to worry about these days with his poor offensive play, and I doubt there's any room in that head of his for betting lines in he heat of action. Maybe making that shot makes Jaden feel a little more comfortable about the next shot he takes...tonight in a much more important game. And that to me is much more important than offending a bunch of Utah fans.

And here's why I'm 99% certain this had nothing to do with gambling. If the Wolves knew what the line was, and if they had some kind of interest in covering the spread, why in the hell would they try to do it on a 3-point shot by a guy who had missed 18 in a row? Utah was playing no defense and there was plenty of time on the court. Ant could have driven in for an uncontested layup that also would have covered the spread.

Again, this is coming from a guy who just doesn't believe athletes making millions have much interest in risking their careers in order to win a bet.

Yeah. I don't think there's any unseemly gambling thing going on... it was just my way of bringing up the point that McDaniels was an asshole for taking that shot.

Slump or not... making an entirely unnecessary shot without any pressure is not exactly a slumpbreaker.

[FNG]

Ok, I'm clearly in the non-conspiracy camp here, so these comments must be taken from that perspective. I'm also not a fan of most "unwritten rules" in sports.

I heard the Utah fans booing when Jaden took that shot...they were reacting to the combination of a crappy season and a violation of one of these unwritten rules. And I'm sure a lot of them also lost a bet on Utah plus the points because of that shot. But I'm 99% sure Jaden took that shot because Ant told him to, so that perhaps he could get his confidence back after missing 18 in a row. Did you see Ant going up and hugging Jaden after the shot? Jaden has a lot to worry about these days with his poor offensive play, and I doubt there's any room in that head of his for betting lines in he heat of action. Maybe making that shot makes Jaden feel a little more comfortable about the next shot he takes...tonight in a much more important game. And that to me is much more important than offending a bunch of Utah fans.

And here's why I'm 99% certain this had nothing to do with gambling. If the Wolves knew what the line was, and if they had some kind of interest in covering the spread, why in the hell would they try to do it on a 3-point shot by a guy who had missed 18 in a row? Utah was playing no defense and there was plenty of time on the court. Ant could have driven in for an uncontested layup that also would have covered the spread.

Again, this is coming from a guy who just doesn't believe athletes making millions have much interest in risking their careers in order to win a bet.

Yeah. I don't think there's any unseemly gambling thing going on... it was just my way of bringing up the point that McDaniels was an asshole for taking that shot.

Slump or not... making an entirely unnecessary shot without any pressure is not exactly a slumpbreaker.

Ha, you're probably right about the impact of that shot on Jaden's confidence...probably means about as much as him draining a three pre-game. And I'll modify my answer. I said I was not a fan of "unwritten rules". But I'm enough of a homer rube that if a Wolves opponent did that to us in the midst of a horrible season, I would have been pissed. But I think if there's an asshole in this, it's Ant. He's the alpha male on the court, and he's clearly telling Jaden to take the shot...and submissive Jaden complies. I'm not sure I'm too worked about it, but if I am, I think I have to be pissed at Ant.

[Q-is-here]

I'm generally in favor of that particular unwritten rule. It was totally unnecessary, but...... to FNG's point, motive matters in this case and it had nothing to do with rubbing it in Utah's face. Now if Jaden had gone 6-9 from 3 and helped put a dagger in Utah as part of a 4th quarter run, then he'd probably deserve a beer thrown at him.

[davemang]

The wolves also do have a sort of back and forth thing with Utah and unnecessary end of game shots (although that maybe goes more towards the players that were traded for Rudy that are no longer there). I also think Jaden doesn’t really care about being seen as a hero or villain.

[kekgeek]

Toronto Raptors forward Jontay Porter is under investigation by the NBA following multiple instances of betting irregularities over the past several months, multiple sources told ESPN on Monday.

At issue are prop bets involving Porter from games on Jan. 26 and March 20, multiple sources told ESPN. An NBA spokesman told ESPN that the league is "looking into it."


In the game on Jan. 26 against the LA Clippers, there was increased betting interest on the under for Porter props, which for the night were set at around 5.5 points, 4.5 rebounds and 1.5 assists. There was also an over/under for Porter's made 3-pointers, which was 0.5.

That night, Porter played just four minutes before leaving the game because of what the Raptors said was a re-aggravation of an eye injury he'd suffered four days earlier in a game against the Memphis Grizzlies. He did not score against the Clippers, had three rebounds and one assist, and did not attempt a 3, meaning the under hit on all of the props.

The next day, as part of a daily report to users on betting results, DraftKings Sportsbook reported that the under on Porter's 3-pointers was the biggest money winner for bettors of any NBA player props from games that evening.

Porter played 19 minutes two days later and scored 12 points with seven rebounds and three assists.

On March 20, in a game against the Phoenix Suns, Porter played just three minutes before leaving the game because of what the Raptors said was an illness and did not return. He did not score, attempted and missed one shot, and had two rebounds.

Sportsbooks had his over/unders set at around 7.5 points and 5.5 rebounds.

The next day, DraftKings SportsBooks reported to its users that Porter's prop bets were the No. 1 moneymaker from the night in the NBA

[Wolvesfan21]

Toronto Raptors forward Jontay Porter is under investigation by the NBA following multiple instances of betting irregularities over the past several months, multiple sources told ESPN on Monday.

At issue are prop bets involving Porter from games on Jan. 26 and March 20, multiple sources told ESPN. An NBA spokesman told ESPN that the league is "looking into it."


In the game on Jan. 26 against the LA Clippers, there was increased betting interest on the under for Porter props, which for the night were set at around 5.5 points, 4.5 rebounds and 1.5 assists. There was also an over/under for Porter's made 3-pointers, which was 0.5.

That night, Porter played just four minutes before leaving the game because of what the Raptors said was a re-aggravation of an eye injury he'd suffered four days earlier in a game against the Memphis Grizzlies. He did not score against the Clippers, had three rebounds and one assist, and did not attempt a 3, meaning the under hit on all of the props.

The next day, as part of a daily report to users on betting results, DraftKings Sportsbook reported that the under on Porter's 3-pointers was the biggest money winner for bettors of any NBA player props from games that evening.

Porter played 19 minutes two days later and scored 12 points with seven rebounds and three assists.

On March 20, in a game against the Phoenix Suns, Porter played just three minutes before leaving the game because of what the Raptors said was an illness and did not return. He did not score, attempted and missed one shot, and had two rebounds.

Sportsbooks had his over/unders set at around 7.5 points and 5.5 rebounds.

The next day, DraftKings SportsBooks reported to its users that Porter's prop bets were the No. 1 moneymaker from the night in the NBA

Not really surprising. Let's hope he doesn't have a paper trail. Done in cash and in person (Porter to friend back to Porter). I think it would be nearly impossible to prove. I've heard lower level tennis players betting against themselves also. Top guys, NBA and Tennis (other big time sports) have little incentive to risk everything for a quick score.

You would think they would want to spread the bets around though. It sounds like maybe they mostly used one book. But maybe it was multiple and made huge moves. If I were him I'd quit betting though. Just maybe you got away with it so far. But now eyes are all over you.