Monster wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:34 pm
EVERY FUCKING ROSTER SPOT MATTERS. Saying we should not be concerned with every roster spot is simply short sighted.
They don't matter one iota if those spots aren't filled with legit NBA players. If you have to put a guy out there who should be in the G league you're in big trouble. NBA rosters used to be limited to 12 players, and that's when there were less teams. Those spots #13 - #15, which you spend a lot of time on, are largely irrelevant. Not one of our top 8, not even NAZ or NAW rose up from the last 3 spots on the roster.
Who on this board or in the NBA is trying to fill those spots with guys that aren’t NBA players? Obviously if guys can’t play it doesn’t matter. Hell teams sometimes sign guys that end up being no good that they planned to be in the rotation. Shake Milton is one of those guys just last season.
Naz Reid was signed as a 2-way undrafted player. He earned his way into more than that. He started out on the Wolves without an NBA deal so you are incorrect there.
The NBA is deeper with talent and more ways to develop it than ever before. Of course the odds are again most of these guys being playoff contributors but IMO it’s a head scratching take to have watched the league as much as I assume you have and say those spots are simply not worth talking about. It’s not just about this season either. Adding a player this offseason that ends up helping 2 or 3 seasons from now (or even be a minor trade chip) could actually matter. It’s worth asking if Naz Reid as a rookie would have gotten any meaningful minutes on a good team like the Wolves?
Finally and then I’m moving on: The regular season matters. At times you need some depth guys to keep things rolling during the regular season due to injuries etc. one of the big issues with the wolves for years was they had such a lack of depth and when they had to turn to other guys they just weren’t good enough or back to your earlier point they were either not NBA players or very fringe guys. Those of us that are looking at the edges of the roster are looking for legit NBA (or potential) NBA guys at those spots. We also know fully that some guys aren’t going to work out just like most of us know some free agents aren’t going to pan out either like Shake Milton last season was a Jake Cave like spectacular swing and miss. Speaking of the Twins legend I see he is playing for the Rockies. lol
NAZ played 500 minutes his rookie year. Josh Minott played less than 100 in this his 2nd year. NAZ was top 12 right away.
The greater point I've been trying to make is we are finally a contender. You're always trying to develop players, but the focus of the franchise needs to be on winning right now. If I'm different so be it, but I could care less about who sits in street clothes for us, especially next year.
Monster wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 4:34 pm
EVERY FUCKING ROSTER SPOT MATTERS. Saying we should not be concerned with every roster spot is simply short sighted.
They don't matter one iota if those spots aren't filled with legit NBA players. If you have to put a guy out there who should be in the G league you're in big trouble. NBA rosters used to be limited to 12 players, and that's when there were less teams. Those spots #13 - #15, which you spend a lot of time on, are largely irrelevant. Not one of our top 8, not even NAZ or NAW rose up from the last 3 spots on the roster.
Who on this board or in the NBA is trying to fill those spots with guys that aren’t NBA players? Obviously if guys can’t play it doesn’t matter. Hell teams sometimes sign guys that end up being no good that they planned to be in the rotation. Shake Milton is one of those guys just last season.
Naz Reid was signed as a 2-way undrafted player. He earned his way into more than that. He started out on the Wolves without an NBA deal so you are incorrect there.
The NBA is deeper with talent and more ways to develop it than ever before. Of course the odds are again most of these guys being playoff contributors but IMO it’s a head scratching take to have watched the league as much as I assume you have and say those spots are simply not worth talking about. It’s not just about this season either. Adding a player this offseason that ends up helping 2 or 3 seasons from now (or even be a minor trade chip) could actually matter. It’s worth asking if Naz Reid as a rookie would have gotten any meaningful minutes on a good team like the Wolves?
Finally and then I’m moving on: The regular season matters. At times you need some depth guys to keep things rolling during the regular season due to injuries etc. one of the big issues with the wolves for years was they had such a lack of depth and when they had to turn to other guys they just weren’t good enough or back to your earlier point they were either not NBA players or very fringe guys. Those of us that are looking at the edges of the roster are looking for legit NBA (or potential) NBA guys at those spots. We also know fully that some guys aren’t going to work out just like most of us know some free agents aren’t going to pan out either like Shake Milton last season was a Jake Cave like spectacular swing and miss. Speaking of the Twins legend I see he is playing for the Rockies. lol
We had one of the deepest benches in the league, often playing 9-10 players most games.
ESPN's new mock has Scheierman going to us at #27. They say he has been rising fast due to the combine and individual workouts. It's getting to the point where I will be disappointed if this doesn't happen.
Coolbreeze44 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 10:51 pm
ESPN's new mock has Scheierman going to us at #27. They say he has been rising fast due to the combine and individual workouts. It's getting to the point where I will be disappointed if this doesn't happen.
I’m feeling the same way, Cool. The more I’ve read and learned about him and the more video I’ve watching the more he’s grown on me. I don’t have a man-crush on him as I do for Reed Sheppard or Carlton Covington, but I see him as a really solid player and great fit for the Wolves. Alas, we’ll probably have to trade up several slots to get him. I think we could move up 2-4 slots by simply packaging 27, 37 and Moore. I’d do that if it would get us Scheierman, Kolek or T. Shannon in that order of preference.
Coolbreeze44 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 10:51 pm
ESPN's new mock has Scheierman going to us at #27. They say he has been rising fast due to the combine and individual workouts. It's getting to the point where I will be disappointed if this doesn't happen.
Just noticed that NBC’s mock also has the Wolves taking Scheierman at 27. The also have the Wolves taking Nunez at 37. Yuck!!
WildWolf2813 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 11:38 pm
Carlton Carrington in 3 years could be really good for someone but he's physically incapable of playing in the NBA right now.
I’m not sure it will take three years, but I agree he’s not a guy you draft to help the Wolves next season. I love his potential as a player who reminds me of Maxey.
I don’t think the Wolves should necessarily focus on drafting a guy who can help right away. I’d factor that in to the decision, but it shouldn’t be a decisive factor. It would be nice to draft a guy who can help right away since the second apron prevents us from competing meaningfully in the free agent market. However, we also have a longer term need to stock the organization with young talent given our lack of future picks from the Rudy deal and the unimpressive collection of players TC has drafted the past two years. I wouldn’t pass on a really high upside prospect if truly convinced that he can be a special player down the road. That’s how I see Carrington. If we could trade way up for Reed we could have our cake and eat it too since I see him as both a future elite player and a guy who could help the Wolves right away with his shooting.
Doogie chatted with Tom Crean yesterday about the draft and a few other things. I thought it was pretty darn good and informative. On another note, the video that starts after the Crean video is with Cam Christie. I thought that was pretty good, too.
Coolbreeze44 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 10:51 pm
ESPN's new mock has Scheierman going to us at #27. They say he has been rising fast due to the combine and individual workouts. It's getting to the point where I will be disappointed if this doesn't happen.
Just noticed that NBC’s mock also has the Wolves taking Scheierman at 27. The also have the Wolves taking Nunez at 37. Yuck!!
Lip, I also would like to see us take Scheierman with our first pick, and I have some concerns that his stock is rising quickly and that he might not be there at 27. I also don't think we want to roster two late draft picks this year, so I would endorse your idea of moving up a few spots by giving up 37.
I'm also not too excited about Nunez if we keep our second round pick, but I can see why TC might be targeting him. He's young, and could develop into a competent (and big) PG. But there is some question about whether he even wants to play in the NBA. He might be the perfect Eurostash for us this season. Let him develop in Europe for a year or two while he develops his game further, and then convince him to come over.
Coolbreeze44 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2024 10:51 pm
ESPN's new mock has Scheierman going to us at #27. They say he has been rising fast due to the combine and individual workouts. It's getting to the point where I will be disappointed if this doesn't happen.
Just noticed that NBC’s mock also has the Wolves taking Scheierman at 27. The also have the Wolves taking Nunez at 37. Yuck!!
Lip, I also would like to see us take Scheierman with our first pick, and I have some concerns that his stock is rising quickly and that he might not be there at 27. I also don't think we want to roster two late draft picks this year, so I would endorse your idea of moving up a few spots by giving up 37.
I'm also not too excited about Nunez if we keep our second round pick, but I can see why TC might be targeting him. He's young, and could develop into a competent (and big) PG. But there is some question about whether he even wants to play in the NBA. He might be the perfect Eurostash for us this season. Let him develop in Europe for a year or two while he develops his game further, and then convince him to come over.
While Eurostash is certainly an option, I fully expect any 2nd round pick to sign a two-way contract with the Wolves.
