Naz or Randle. Can't have both.

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thedoper wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 11:28 am
60WinTim wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 11:09 am
Q-is-here wrote: Fri Dec 13, 2024 8:11 am I'm close to coming to the conclusion that Randle is holding this team back and Finch's hands are pretty tied as long as he is on the roster, thus the return on any trade is of less concern to me than simply removing him from the rotation altogether.

I think we have some offensive dynamism and pace that has yet to be unlocked, specifically in the form of Rob Dillingham, TJ Shannon, and Josh Minott. Obviously these aren't the three guys you want on the floor in crunch time, but I do think they could inject some real energy and pace into a team that desperately needs to find more easy buckets.

Even if we match last year's defensive rating, the offense just isn't good enough to truly contend for a title. Something needs to be done....
I'm glad you haven't reached that conclusion just yet, Q!

I will say I have been pleasantly surprised with Randle on the offensive side. He has not been quite the black hole as many predicted to start the season. And his shooting, especially from 3, has been very acceptable.

So, is Randle to blame for career lows, or near career lows, for shooting from Conley, Donte, Naz and McDaniels? If those guys could return to the mean in their shooting, our offense would not be nearly as bad as it has been.
Im with you Tim. I dont think Randle on offense is the problem. His d is not great (but has had an uptick recently) which I think was the expectation of him coming in. I think you hit the nail on the head. Conley, Donte, Naz and McDaniels all need to be giving us more offense at this point.
I agree that Randle has had a nice year offensively on paper. I think in half court slugfests, he can be a useful asset that can chew up possessions and make some tough buckets against a set defense. I'd probably feel a lot better if he were a 6th or 7th man scoring big playing 18-22 MPG but that will NEVER happen given his cachet.

When he and Ant are on the court together, we are very Randle-centric because he's not otherwise very useful without the ball in his hands whereas Ant has become an elite floor spacer. But that creates a dis-synergy since at the same time it takes away from Ant's ability to get down hill and put pressure on the defense. I can assure you that opposing defenses would much rather deal with Julius Randle than a fully activated Anthony Edwards.

In other words, Ant compliments Randle, but Randle doesn't compliment Ant and he is by far the guy defenses worry about the most.

And BTW, I feel like the improvement of ball movement and transition that would occur without Randle in the lineup would help get Jaden and DDV going as well. I'd prefer we play smaller overall - more Jaden and Minott at the 4 with Reid as the starter.
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Now another rumor:
Randle to Clippers for Norman Powell, Batum and a 2031 1st
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DNatagal wrote: Sat Dec 14, 2024 12:07 pm Now another rumor:
Randle to Clippers for Norman Powell, Batum and a 2031 1st
Watch this happen and then Wolves-killer Norm Powell suddenly can't shoot the damn ball!
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As long as we are rumoring...

The original premise of the thread is you can't have both. And there is a lot of truth to that. For one, both players will command a sizable payday, which the Wolves realistically cannot afford. The Wolves also cannot guarantee that either will re-sign, so they could wind up losing both their starting PF and their backup PF!

From a fan perspective, NAZ is clearly the favorite -- Randle is an outsider which we are finding difficulty watching his game fit in with this roster and style of play, albeit he is productive.

We have another asset who is showing potential: Josh Minott. Can he find a spot in the rotation this year or next? He becomes an unrestricted FA after next season. So he might be one of our better trade assets to help get a deal done. So here is my latest proposal:

Trade Minott into Washington's trade exemption in return for a future second round pick. Then make a second trade with Washington, Julius Randle and the Detroit 1st rounder for Jonas Vananciunas and Malcom Brogdon.

This moves NAZ into the starting rotation, provides some decent backup for Rudy, especially if Rudy goes down for any games. And Brogdon provides some nice security behind Conley. Jaden either plays a bit more at the 4, or an opportunity is opened for Miller, or we just playing smaller with our plethora of guards and wings. It also opens the door for re-signing both NAZ and NAW in the offseason AND drop below the luxury tax threshold (assuming Brogdon walks in free agency).

What say you?!?
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60WinTim wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2024 12:14 pm As long as we are rumoring...

The original premise of the thread is you can't have both. And there is a lot of truth to that. For one, both players will command a sizable payday, which the Wolves realistically cannot afford. The Wolves also cannot guarantee that either will re-sign, so they could wind up losing both their starting PF and their backup PF!

From a fan perspective, NAZ is clearly the favorite -- Randle is an outsider which we are finding difficulty watching his game fit in with this roster and style of play, albeit he is productive.

We have another asset who is showing potential: Josh Minott. Can he find a spot in the rotation this year or next? He becomes an unrestricted FA after next season. So he might be one of our better trade assets to help get a deal done. So here is my latest proposal:

Trade Minott into Washington's trade exemption in return for a future second round pick. Then make a second trade with Washington, Julius Randle and the Detroit 1st rounder for Jonas Vananciunas and Malcom Brogdon.

This moves NAZ into the starting rotation, provides some decent backup for Rudy, especially if Rudy goes down for any games. And Brogdon provides some nice security behind Conley. Jaden either plays a bit more at the 4, or an opportunity is opened for Miller, or we just playing smaller with our plethora of guards and wings. It also opens the door for re-signing both NAZ and NAW in the offseason AND drop below the luxury tax threshold (assuming Brogdon walks in free agency).

What say you?!?
That's more like it Tim!
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DNatagal wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2024 1:48 pm https://www.newsweek.com/sports/nba/tim ... al-2000769

This one is LOL
Cut out the Griz as the middle man, and that's my deal!!! :D
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If we trade Randle it should be solely for salary savings to get us below the second apron with a comfortable margin to re-sign both Naz and NAW. And we shouldn’t be giving up any more future picks other than a future 2nd and we don’t have many of those either.
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Naz's value as an offensive force has been lacking, but i would proffer the improvements on defense make it worth keeping him in the rotation. I think the offense comes back and the defense sticks. Makes him more valuable than Randle.
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What about Julius Randle and Utah's own 2nd to Utah for Collin Sexton and in a separate trade Rob Dill for Walker Kessler? How would Sexton look next to Ant? He would be a long term replacement that plays well on both sides of the ball. This would mean a real role for Minott since Kessler and Rudy could not share the floor except for maybe a last second defensive situation. The idea is Kessler could shore up the backup center minutes as imitation Rudy.

Rudy/Kessler
Naz/Minott
Jaden/NAW
Ant/DDV
Conley/Sexton

Could this team clean the glass well enough? Would Sextons offense fit better than Randles?
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