Jaden

[Wolvesfan21]

Pippenesque.

I know people want to dump him (he played extra trash at times this season to be fair) but I think he turns his game around the second half of the season. Maybe not HOF top 50 player level, but still supa nice.

I also don't forget he was lockdown in the playoffs last year too and shot the ball great for many games. Just want to say I see great things coming for him.

[Coolbreeze44]

For whatever reason he's shot very poorly this year. But I think he's built up enough equity to keep trusting him to come around. Sometimes good players have off nights, off months, or even off years. He's still uber talented, young, and should show improvement going forward.

[BloopOracle]

It's tough with him, his offense is leaving a lot to be desired as usual. But with a playoff whistle he's almost guaranteed to level up every April which makes me hesitate to want to make a trade.

[kekgeek]

3 point % pre breaking his wrist punching a wall: 36%

Post breaking his wrist punching a wall: 32.8%


I’m still in the keep Jaden boat because he is an elite defender and his value is at an all time low. I also think Jaden fits better in trades where the wolves can add multiple players to it to trade and get a stud. At the moment the wolves can’t do it. A Jaden trade if it happens in my opinion makes more sense next year when they should be out of the second apron

[Lipoli390]

3 point % pre breaking his wrist punching a wall: 36%

Post breaking his wrist punching a wall: 32.8%


I’m still in the keep Jaden boat because he is an elite defender and his value is at an all time low. I also think Jaden fits better in trades where the wolves can add multiple players to it to trade and get a stud. At the moment the wolves can’t do it. A Jaden trade if it happens in my opinion makes more sense next year when they should be out of the second apron

For the first time, I’m in the trade Jaden camp if there even is one. But I agree the timing isn’t optimal right now so I’m inclined towards a trade Jaden next summer camp for the reasons you’ve given. However, I don’t think this team will be below the second apron if it keeps Naz unless we can move Randle or Rudy this season for significant salary savings and I don’t see a realistic scenario for either option. Moving either Randle or Rudy would require giving up draft assets we don’t have or can’t afford to give up. Even though Jaden’s value is at at an all-time low since we drafted him, he would still get value from him in return rather than having to give assets away to entice teams to take him.

We currently have five players we could trade now for value without having to give assets away: Ant, Naz, NAW, DDV, and Jaden. Sadly, I suspect Jaden would bring the smallest return of these five at the moment; hence the argument for waiting. But Jaden is the only one of these five I’d be OK losing.

[Lipoli390]

3 point % pre breaking his wrist punching a wall: 36%

Post breaking his wrist punching a wall: 32.8%


I’m still in the keep Jaden boat because he is an elite defender and his value is at an all time low. I also think Jaden fits better in trades where the wolves can add multiple players to it to trade and get a stud. At the moment the wolves can’t do it. A Jaden trade if it happens in my opinion makes more sense next year when they should be out of the second apron

For the first time, I’m in the trade Jaden camp if there even is one. But I agree the timing isn’t optimal right now so I’m inclined towards a trade Jaden next summer camp for the reasons you’ve given. Nevertheless, I don’t think this team will be below the second apron if it keeps Naz unless we can move Randle or Rudy this season for significant salary savings and I don’t see a realistic scenario for either option. Moving either Randle or Rudy would require giving up draft assets we don’t have or can’t afford to give up. Even though Jaden’s value is at an all-time low since we drafted him, he would still get value from him in return rather than having to give assets away to entice teams to take him.

We currently have five players we could trade now for value without having to give assets away: Ant, Naz, NAW, DDV, and Jaden. Sadly, I suspect Jaden would bring the smallest return of these five at the moment; hence the argument for waiting. But Jaden is the only one of these five I’d be OK losing.

[kekgeek]

3 point % pre breaking his wrist punching a wall: 36%

Post breaking his wrist punching a wall: 32.8%


I’m still in the keep Jaden boat because he is an elite defender and his value is at an all time low. I also think Jaden fits better in trades where the wolves can add multiple players to it to trade and get a stud. At the moment the wolves can’t do it. A Jaden trade if it happens in my opinion makes more sense next year when they should be out of the second apron

For the first time, I’m in the trade Jaden camp if there even is one. But I agree the timing isn’t optimal right now so I’m inclined towards a trade Jaden next summer camp for the reasons you’ve given. However, I don’t think this team will be below the second apron if it keeps Naz unless we can move Randle or Rudy this season for significant salary savings and I don’t see a realistic scenario for either option. Moving either Randle or Rudy would require giving up draft assets we don’t have or can’t afford to give up. Even though Jaden’s value is at at an all-time low since we drafted him, he would still get value from him in return rather than having to give assets away to entice teams to take him.

We currently have five players we could trade now for value without having to give assets away: Ant, Naz, NAW, DDV, and Jaden. Sadly, I suspect Jaden would bring the smallest return of these five at the moment; hence the argument for waiting. But Jaden is the only one of these five I’d be OK losing.

Lip I did a pretty big breakdown of the wolves financials next year based on apron projections.

This is what I said: Back to the Naz contract. The main goal I would say is to stay out of the 2nd apron. Currently according to Spotrac the 2nd apron projection next year is 208 million. Wolves are projected to have 193 million in salary with Naz/Randle picking up their player options. If Naz and Randle both decline their options the wolves will be at 148 million in salary. Giving them 60 million to work with in resigning Naz and Naw in free agency (it will be a little less because of min contracts, etc.), the projected 1st apron is 196 million. So that is 48 million to work with. I also believe if Randle opts out and they renounce his rights the wolves could use the full MLE. So 48 million to bring back Naz, Naw and a MLE player (or Randle).

[Lipoli390]

3 point % pre breaking his wrist punching a wall: 36%

Post breaking his wrist punching a wall: 32.8%


I’m still in the keep Jaden boat because he is an elite defender and his value is at an all time low. I also think Jaden fits better in trades where the wolves can add multiple players to it to trade and get a stud. At the moment the wolves can’t do it. A Jaden trade if it happens in my opinion makes more sense next year when they should be out of the second apron

For the first time, I’m in the trade Jaden camp if there even is one. But I agree the timing isn’t optimal right now so I’m inclined towards a trade Jaden next summer camp for the reasons you’ve given. However, I don’t think this team will be below the second apron if it keeps Naz unless we can move Randle or Rudy this season for significant salary savings and I don’t see a realistic scenario for either option. Moving either Randle or Rudy would require giving up draft assets we don’t have or can’t afford to give up. Even though Jaden’s value is at at an all-time low since we drafted him, he would still get value from him in return rather than having to give assets away to entice teams to take him.

We currently have five players we could trade now for value without having to give assets away: Ant, Naz, NAW, DDV, and Jaden. Sadly, I suspect Jaden would bring the smallest return of these five at the moment; hence the argument for waiting. But Jaden is the only one of these five I’d be OK losing.

Lip I did a pretty big breakdown of the wolves financials next year based on apron projections.

This is what I said: Back to the Naz contract. The main goal I would say is to stay out of the 2nd apron. Currently according to Spotrac the 2nd apron projection next year is 208 million. Wolves are projected to have 193 million in salary with Naz/Randle picking up their player options. If Naz and Randle both decline their options the wolves will be at 148 million in salary. Giving them 60 million to work with in resigning Naz and Naw in free agency (it will be a little less because of min contracts, etc.), the projected 1st apron is 196 million. So that is 48 million to work with. I also believe if Randle opts out and they renounce his rights the wolves could use the full MLE. So 48 million to bring back Naz, Naw and a MLE player (or Randle).

I haven’t seen your breakdown, Kek. I don’t think there’s any doubt that Randle will pick up his $30M option. Naz Reid’s option is $15M. There’s no way he’ll opt in, which means the Wolves will need to use their Bird rights to sign him a far more than $15 to avoid losing him to free agency. I suspect it will take around $30 million to keep him, which would bump that $193M to at least $203M with at least two roster spots to fill. That’s cutting it close and it would definitely leave no room to re-sign NAW without hitting the second apron. And I wonder whether that $208M projection will hold given the low ratings the NBA has been experiencing this season.

[Phenom]

For the first time, I’m in the trade Jaden camp if there even is one. But I agree the timing isn’t optimal right now so I’m inclined towards a trade Jaden next summer camp for the reasons you’ve given. However, I don’t think this team will be below the second apron if it keeps Naz unless we can move Randle or Rudy this season for significant salary savings and I don’t see a realistic scenario for either option. Moving either Randle or Rudy would require giving up draft assets we don’t have or can’t afford to give up. Even though Jaden’s value is at at an all-time low since we drafted him, he would still get value from him in return rather than having to give assets away to entice teams to take him.

We currently have five players we could trade now for value without having to give assets away: Ant, Naz, NAW, DDV, and Jaden. Sadly, I suspect Jaden would bring the smallest return of these five at the moment; hence the argument for waiting. But Jaden is the only one of these five I’d be OK losing.

Lip I did a pretty big breakdown of the wolves financials next year based on apron projections.

This is what I said: Back to the Naz contract. The main goal I would say is to stay out of the 2nd apron. Currently according to Spotrac the 2nd apron projection next year is 208 million. Wolves are projected to have 193 million in salary with Naz/Randle picking up their player options. If Naz and Randle both decline their options the wolves will be at 148 million in salary. Giving them 60 million to work with in resigning Naz and Naw in free agency (it will be a little less because of min contracts, etc.), the projected 1st apron is 196 million. So that is 48 million to work with. I also believe if Randle opts out and they renounce his rights the wolves could use the full MLE. So 48 million to bring back Naz, Naw and a MLE player (or Randle).

I haven’t seen your breakdown, Kek. I don’t think there’s any doubt that Randle will pick up his $30M option. Naz Reid’s option is $15M. There’s no way he’ll opt in, which means the Wolves will need to use their Bird rights to sign him a far more than $15 to avoid losing him to free agency. I suspect it will take around $30 million to keep him, which would bump that $193M to at least $203M with at least two roster spots to fill. That’s cutting it close and it would definitely leave no room to re-sign NAW without hitting the second apron. And I wonder whether that $208M projection will hold given the low ratings the NBA has been experiencing this season.

I brought this up the other day. Who is giving Naz Reid 30 million? The Nets are the only possible answer from what I have seen. As a second apron team, the Wolves can't sign and trade him. The Nets will have other options such as Jimmy and Brandon Ingram as well as the possibility to trade for current salaries around the league. The odds seem low to me that the Wolves can't offer a competitive salary to Naz below that number.

[DNatagal]

The days of bloated contracts for fringe starting players is gone (which is what the league has been shooting for). Naz should be looking for 20 million.