Sam Darnold

[60WinTim]

You know when I thought we were screwed. When the team showered Darnold last week and lifted him up like he won the fucking SB. Dudes, you haven't won shit yet. The games really matter now, not last week. Also there goes Darnold trade value. It's now zero.

I doubt one game has that kind of impact. Detroit, despite the injuries, is one of the best teams in the league. A win or two in the playoffs would put Darnold right back on the map.

[Wolvesfan21]

I'll just say one thing in Darnolds defense. The Lions were holding the Vikes WR's on every play. The refs simply are not going to call it though. But saying that, he's had forever to throw and doesn't pull the trigger. Should've benched him at half and went to Mullens.

[Wolvesfan21]

You know when I thought we were screwed. When the team showered Darnold last week and lifted him up like he won the fucking SB. Dudes, you haven't won shit yet. The games really matter now, not last week. Also there goes Darnold trade value. It's now zero.

I doubt one game has that kind of impact. Detroit, despite the injuries, is one of the best teams in the league. A win or two in the playoffs would put Darnold right back on the map.

This is a major blow. You can't play an F game in the biggest game of the season. Natonal TV, EVERYONE watching. You can't be the GM of a team now and trade for him. You just can't. I get it, he's had a really good year. But when it all comes down to one game and you stink like horseshit. Ouch.

We'd have to go on to win the SB to remove the stench. I think so really.

[60WinTim]

I'll just say one thing in Darnolds defense. The Lions were holding the Vikes WR's on every play. The refs simply are not going to call it though. But saying that, he's had forever to throw and doesn't pull the trigger. Should've benched him at half and went to Mullens.

Also, how much of is it Darnold holding on to the ball, or a poor offensive game plan with a lack of quick opening passing plays?

[Coolbreeze44]

Darnold choked. Gibbs is a difference maker. Some crucial calls went against us. We really need to find a hybrid like we had in Percy Harvin to help open things up. Just not enough juice.

[Wolvesfan21]

I'll just say one thing in Darnolds defense. The Lions were holding the Vikes WR's on every play. The refs simply are not going to call it though. But saying that, he's had forever to throw and doesn't pull the trigger. Should've benched him at half and went to Mullens.

Also, how much of is it Darnold holding on to the ball, or a poor offensive game plan with a lack of quick opening passing plays?

But yet on many plays guys were wide open and he airmailed them. He was horrible. This is the NFL you got to make tight window throws, never mind the open ones. This was one of the worst QB games I have seen in the NFL. Sure he didn't throw a bunch of picks. But he had time to throw and open guys. I kept thinking about how they acted like they won the SB last week. That was ridiculous. I guess it was their SB.

[Wolvesfan21]

Darnold choked. Gibbs is a difference maker. Some crucial calls went against us. We really need to find a hybrid like we had in Percy Harvin to help open things up. Just not enough juice.

The defense even gave the offense two picks and perfect field position. The other issue is we cannot run the ball in short yardage. The interior guys are too soft to get a push. Plus Aaron Jones is just OK. He's not a stud.

[Monster]

Darnold choked. Gibbs is a difference maker. Some crucial calls went against us. We really need to find a hybrid like we had in Percy Harvin to help open things up. Just not enough juice.

The defense even gave the offense two picks and perfect field position. The other issue is we cannot run the ball in short yardage. The interior guys are too soft to get a push. Plus Aaron Jones is just OK. He's not a stud.

The running game gave the offense plenty last night. I bet a couple years ago maybe even last year Akers doesn't get caught from behind. He is a nice backup though and it's impressive what he is able to do after 2 achillis injuries. I agree short yardage is a problem and has been for years. Where is Leroy Hoard?

Darnold was not good. The score probaly wasn't as bad as it looked for the team overall but whether it was all Darnold not playing well or also O'Connell also getting out coached it was got a good look against a team with a bunch of injuries on defense although they did have a good player back.

One really bad game in a big game isn't gonna keep teams from adding Darnold at QB. Will it tamp down the desire to get him and the amount teams are willing to pay him? Absolutely. Still Darnold has done enough to make teams want him because he is likely to be seen as better than the other available options. One thing he has going for him is he has ability to extend plays reasonably well and actually sometimes sees the rush come and escape. Does it get him into trouble some and does he hold the ball too long? Yes but it's something that has value. Let's see what he does going forward in the playoffs. I have been a Darnold supporter and not that surprised at his success but the game last night was pretty rough. Aaron Glenn should get some credit too as well as the Detroit players.

Meanwhile did anyone keep watching and see JJ McCarthy on the sideline at the end of the game? Dude looks like he is in HS and looked more skinny than I was expecting.

[Wolvesfan21]

Darnold choked. Gibbs is a difference maker. Some crucial calls went against us. We really need to find a hybrid like we had in Percy Harvin to help open things up. Just not enough juice.

The defense even gave the offense two picks and perfect field position. The other issue is we cannot run the ball in short yardage. The interior guys are too soft to get a push. Plus Aaron Jones is just OK. He's not a stud.

The running game gave the offense plenty last night. I bet a couple years ago maybe even last year Akers doesn't get caught from behind. He is a nice backup though and it's impressive what he is able to do after 2 achillis injuries. I agree short yardage is a problem and has been for years. Where is Leroy Hoard?

Darnold was not good. The score probaly wasn't as bad as it looked for the team overall but whether it was all Darnold not playing well or also O'Connell also getting out coached it was got a good look against a team with a bunch of injuries on defense although they did have a good player back.

One really bad game in a big game isn't gonna keep teams from adding Darnold at QB. Will it tamp down the desire to get him and the amount teams are willing to pay him? Absolutely. Still Darnold has done enough to make teams want him because he is likely to be seen as better than the other available options. One thing he has going for him is he has ability to extend plays reasonably well and actually sometimes sees the rush come and escape. Does it get him into trouble some and does he hold the ball too long? Yes but it's something that has value. Let's see what he does going forward in the playoffs. I have been a Darnold supporter and not that surprised at his success but the game last night was pretty rough. Aaron Glenn should get some credit too as well as the Detroit players.

Meanwhile did anyone keep watching and see JJ McCarthy on the sideline at the end of the game? Dude looks like he is in HS and looked more skinny than I was expecting.

I'll predict right now we cannot franchise him and get anything for him. A franchise tag is I think around 41-42 million expected for a QB. So basically teams will have to feel like that is a bargain to extend or sign him from. I don't think anyone thinks he'll be worth 41 million plus. Maybe in the 25-30 range. I honestly wouldn't even sign him to that though. I credit the vast majority of our success to our elite WR's and coaching. Other teams don't have that. Darnold will live or die by his surroundings / system / scheme fit / talent around him. He's not one who elevates the offense.

You have to keep in mind other teams know we have elite weapons and great coaching too and that Darnold has had one good year. He's very risky to pay big money too never the less trade picks for and pay.

[Monster]

The defense even gave the offense two picks and perfect field position. The other issue is we cannot run the ball in short yardage. The interior guys are too soft to get a push. Plus Aaron Jones is just OK. He's not a stud.

The running game gave the offense plenty last night. I bet a couple years ago maybe even last year Akers doesn't get caught from behind. He is a nice backup though and it's impressive what he is able to do after 2 achillis injuries. I agree short yardage is a problem and has been for years. Where is Leroy Hoard?

Darnold was not good. The score probaly wasn't as bad as it looked for the team overall but whether it was all Darnold not playing well or also O'Connell also getting out coached it was got a good look against a team with a bunch of injuries on defense although they did have a good player back.

One really bad game in a big game isn't gonna keep teams from adding Darnold at QB. Will it tamp down the desire to get him and the amount teams are willing to pay him? Absolutely. Still Darnold has done enough to make teams want him because he is likely to be seen as better than the other available options. One thing he has going for him is he has ability to extend plays reasonably well and actually sometimes sees the rush come and escape. Does it get him into trouble some and does he hold the ball too long? Yes but it's something that has value. Let's see what he does going forward in the playoffs. I have been a Darnold supporter and not that surprised at his success but the game last night was pretty rough. Aaron Glenn should get some credit too as well as the Detroit players.

Meanwhile did anyone keep watching and see JJ McCarthy on the sideline at the end of the game? Dude looks like he is in HS and looked more skinny than I was expecting.

I'll predict right now we cannot franchise him and get anything for him. A franchise tag is I think around 41-42 million expected for a QB. So basically teams will have to feel like that is a bargain to extend or sign him from. I don't think anyone thinks he'll be worth 41 million plus. Maybe in the 25-30 range. I honestly wouldn't even sign him to that though. I credit the vast majority of our success to our elite WR's and coaching. Other teams don't have that. Darnold will live or die by his surroundings / system / scheme fit / talent around him. He's not one who elevates the offense.

You have to keep in mind other teams know we have elite weapons and great coaching too and that Darnold has had one good year. He's very risky to pay big money too never the less trade picks for and pay.

These are NFL franchises you are talking about. They do dumb shit like that pretty frequently. Keep in mind 41 million is about to be the new starting point for starting QBs in the league with the cap continuing to rise. If a team trades for him they can either get him for 1 year and see what they want to do from there or sign him to a deal that might more financially viable going forward. I don't see Dwrnolf getting more than 2 years fully guaranteed from any team because of what you suggested.

I'm curious how confident are you in JJ McCarthy being really good?