A real head scratcher for TC to navigate over the next month. Julius Randle's team option creates so much uncertainty for next season.
I'm still on the 'trade Julius Randle' train. Yes he is a good player and probably the second most talented on this roster, but I still question the fit. I think Naz is the better option playing next to Ant and Rudy going forward.
The other option that I actually think might happed is Julius opting out and TC resigning him on a 4 year deal, like they did with Rudy. The question is how much would Julius command and is he worth it?
I'm resigned to letting NAW go, but keeping Naz should be the priority this offseason, at a fair price.
Naz or Randle. Can't have both.
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Re: Naz or Randle. Can't have both.
I think we'd be better off with a lesser "talented" player for Randle that fits more of what we need. More of a 3 and D 4/5. Be able to defend well, rebound well and hit the open three at a good clip. Someone like NAW but with more size. Doesn't need to be an All Star level at anything but primarily good and those 3 things.KiwiMatt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:45 pm A real head scratcher for TC to navigate over the next month. Julius Randle's team option creates so much uncertainty for next season.
I'm still on the 'trade Julius Randle' train. Yes he is a good player and probably the second most talented on this roster, but I still question the fit. I think Naz is the better option playing next to Ant and Rudy going forward.
The other option that I actually think might happed is Julius opting out and TC resigning him on a 4 year deal, like they did with Rudy. The question is how much would Julius command and is he worth it?
I'm resigned to letting NAW go, but keeping Naz should be the priority this offseason, at a fair price.
Like an Al Horford type. Obviously younger more budget version. We got Rudy who is DPOY specialist, Naz is obviously more of a slasher, athletic, shoot the 3 offense guy. Someone in between the two. Randle is too ball dominant and not defensive minded enough.
Re: Naz or Randle. Can't have both.
You are describing Dean Wade, one of the truly underrated players in the NBA and part of the Cleveland juggernaut. He's more of a pure 4 than 5, but he is truly complimentary to our roster in that he can hit the 3, defend well, and doesn't turn the damn ball over.Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 6:24 pmI think we'd be better off with a lesser "talented" player for Randle that fits more of what we need. More of a 3 and D 4/5. Be able to defend well, rebound well and hit the open three at a good clip. Someone like NAW but with more size. Doesn't need to be an All Star level at anything but primarily good and those 3 things.KiwiMatt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:45 pm A real head scratcher for TC to navigate over the next month. Julius Randle's team option creates so much uncertainty for next season.
I'm still on the 'trade Julius Randle' train. Yes he is a good player and probably the second most talented on this roster, but I still question the fit. I think Naz is the better option playing next to Ant and Rudy going forward.
The other option that I actually think might happed is Julius opting out and TC resigning him on a 4 year deal, like they did with Rudy. The question is how much would Julius command and is he worth it?
I'm resigned to letting NAW go, but keeping Naz should be the priority this offseason, at a fair price.
Like an Al Horford type. Obviously younger more budget version. We got Rudy who is DPOY specialist, Naz is obviously more of a slasher, athletic, shoot the 3 offense guy. Someone in between the two. Randle is too ball dominant and not defensive minded enough.
It's unfortunate that literally every one of our PFs on the roster are mostly pluses offensively and minuses defensively (Randle, Naz, and Miller). The beauty of a 3 & D guy like Wade is that he's a plus defensively without being a minus offensively since he can space the floor and move the ball without turning it over a bunch.
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Re: Naz or Randle. Can't have both.
Right on. No wonder they are so good they got them glue guys that are so important. I haven't watched a single second of Cleveland this year so I go to Horford type cause I couldn't think of a guy. I don't watch other teams like I use to though.Q-is-here wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:30 amYou are describing Dean Wade, one of the truly underrated players in the NBA and part of the Cleveland juggernaut. He's more of a pure 4 than 5, but he is truly complimentary to our roster in that he can hit the 3, defend well, and doesn't turn the damn ball over.Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 6:24 pmI think we'd be better off with a lesser "talented" player for Randle that fits more of what we need. More of a 3 and D 4/5. Be able to defend well, rebound well and hit the open three at a good clip. Someone like NAW but with more size. Doesn't need to be an All Star level at anything but primarily good and those 3 things.KiwiMatt wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 1:45 pm A real head scratcher for TC to navigate over the next month. Julius Randle's team option creates so much uncertainty for next season.
I'm still on the 'trade Julius Randle' train. Yes he is a good player and probably the second most talented on this roster, but I still question the fit. I think Naz is the better option playing next to Ant and Rudy going forward.
The other option that I actually think might happed is Julius opting out and TC resigning him on a 4 year deal, like they did with Rudy. The question is how much would Julius command and is he worth it?
I'm resigned to letting NAW go, but keeping Naz should be the priority this offseason, at a fair price.
Like an Al Horford type. Obviously younger more budget version. We got Rudy who is DPOY specialist, Naz is obviously more of a slasher, athletic, shoot the 3 offense guy. Someone in between the two. Randle is too ball dominant and not defensive minded enough.
It's unfortunate that literally every one of our PFs on the roster are mostly pluses offensively and minuses defensively (Randle, Naz, and Miller). The beauty of a 3 & D guy like Wade is that he's a plus defensively without being a minus offensively since he can space the floor and move the ball without turning it over a bunch.

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Re: Naz or Randle. Can't have both.
I know they're not on much, but I suggest watching them when you get a chance.Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:54 amQ-is-here wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:30 amYou are describing Dean Wade, one of the truly underrated players in the NBA and part of the Cleveland juggernaut. He's more of a pure 4 than 5, but he is truly complimentary to our roster in that he can hit the 3, defend well, and doesn't turn the damn ball over.Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2025 6:24 pm
I think we'd be better off with a lesser "talented" player for Randle that fits more of what we need. More of a 3 and D 4/5. Be able to defend well, rebound well and hit the open three at a good clip. Someone like NAW but with more size. Doesn't need to be an All Star level at anything but primarily good and those 3 things.
Like an Al Horford type. Obviously younger more budget version. We got Rudy who is DPOY specialist, Naz is obviously more of a slasher, athletic, shoot the 3 offense guy. Someone in between the two. Randle is too ball dominant and not defensive minded enough.
It's unfortunate that literally every one of our PFs on the roster are mostly pluses offensively and minuses defensively (Randle, Naz, and Miller). The beauty of a 3 & D guy like Wade is that he's a plus defensively without being a minus offensively since he can space the floor and move the ball without turning it over a bunch.
Right on. No wonder they are so good they got them glue guys that are so important. I haven't watched a single second of Cleveland this year so I go to Horford type cause I couldn't think of a guy. I don't watch other teams like I use to though.![]()
That game vs. OKC was legit and one of the better played regular season games I've seen in years. In fact, it just revealed to me that we're just moving furniture on the Titanic right now if competing with those two teams down the line is the ultimate goal.
Re: Naz or Randle. Can't have both.
I gotta dig deeper into Cleveland, as Kenny Atkinson appears to be a wizard of some sort. The Cavs have gone from #15 in 3pt % a season ago to a decisive #1 this year.AbeVigodaLive wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:26 amI know they're not on much, but I suggest watching them when you get a chance.Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:54 amQ-is-here wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 7:30 am
You are describing Dean Wade, one of the truly underrated players in the NBA and part of the Cleveland juggernaut. He's more of a pure 4 than 5, but he is truly complimentary to our roster in that he can hit the 3, defend well, and doesn't turn the damn ball over.
It's unfortunate that literally every one of our PFs on the roster are mostly pluses offensively and minuses defensively (Randle, Naz, and Miller). The beauty of a 3 & D guy like Wade is that he's a plus defensively without being a minus offensively since he can space the floor and move the ball without turning it over a bunch.
Right on. No wonder they are so good they got them glue guys that are so important. I haven't watched a single second of Cleveland this year so I go to Horford type cause I couldn't think of a guy. I don't watch other teams like I use to though.![]()
That game vs. OKC was legit and one of the better played regular season games I've seen in years. In fact, it just revealed to me that we're just moving furniture on the Titanic right now if competing with those two teams down the line is the ultimate goal.
Player Name/Career 3pt%/This Season 3pt%:
Mitchell/36.9%/41%
Garland/39%/43%
Mobley/31%/41.6%
LeVert/34.7%/43.8%
Wade/37%/36.6%
Niang/39.6%/38.3%
Okoro/35.5%/43.5%
Merrill/38.3%/34.2%
Jerome/36.3%/41.2%
Every player except Wade, Niang, and Merrill has materially improved their 3-point shooting accuracy and a number of them are having career years. This can't be just be by chance, right? What has Atkinson done with their offense or team psychology to go from a middle of the pack shooting team last year to multiple guys having career years?
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Re: Naz or Randle. Can't have both.
Those three point changes are crazy, one or two players having a jump sure but most of them is nuts. They've also been healthy this season. Last year games played Mitchell 55, Garland 57, Mobley, 50, and Allen missed most of the playoffs.Q-is-here wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:57 amI gotta dig deeper into Cleveland, as Kenny Atkinson appears to be a wizard of some sort. The Cavs have gone from #15 in 3pt % a season ago to a decisive #1 this year.AbeVigodaLive wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:26 amI know they're not on much, but I suggest watching them when you get a chance.Wolvesfan21 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2025 8:54 am
Right on. No wonder they are so good they got them glue guys that are so important. I haven't watched a single second of Cleveland this year so I go to Horford type cause I couldn't think of a guy. I don't watch other teams like I use to though.![]()
That game vs. OKC was legit and one of the better played regular season games I've seen in years. In fact, it just revealed to me that we're just moving furniture on the Titanic right now if competing with those two teams down the line is the ultimate goal.
Player Name/Career 3pt%/This Season 3pt%:
Mitchell/36.9%/41%
Garland/39%/43%
Mobley/31%/41.6%
LeVert/34.7%/43.8%
Wade/37%/36.6%
Niang/39.6%/38.3%
Okoro/35.5%/43.5%
Merrill/38.3%/34.2%
Jerome/36.3%/41.2%
Every player except Wade, Niang, and Merrill has materially improved their 3-point shooting accuracy and a number of them are having career years. This can't be just be by chance, right? What has Atkinson done with their offense or team psychology to go from a middle of the pack shooting team last year to multiple guys having career years?
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Re: Naz or Randle. Can't have both.
Those 3P percentages do say a lot about why the NBA is a bit "broken" too. I said years ago they needed to move the line back. They did nothing. Now we have half a dozen players on one team shooting 40-44% which begs the question why shoot a 2 since 1.5 X 40-44% is obviously 60-66% on a two. Sure obvious layups and dunks can equal that or better, but then you are also maybe being riskier getting some of those shots with offensive fouls and obviously turnovers. No one is getting anywhere close to that on midranges! I always thought Wiggins was tanking on purpose when he took those turn around long twos. It was just a bad shot. So obvious it was insane.
Can you get a low turnover / low risk 40% 3P look most of the time? It all comes down to getting the best look with the lowest risk. 3P shots probably result in more offensive rebounds also which is another bonus. IDK that for a fact but it seems common sense. Just find your best 3P actions and repeat and repeat.
Can you get a low turnover / low risk 40% 3P look most of the time? It all comes down to getting the best look with the lowest risk. 3P shots probably result in more offensive rebounds also which is another bonus. IDK that for a fact but it seems common sense. Just find your best 3P actions and repeat and repeat.
Re: Naz or Randle. Can't have both.
Flagrant Howls was pretty good today. They talk about Randle to start the show.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht33JLacSO4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ht33JLacSO4
Re: Naz or Randle. Can't have both.
Maybe someone has pointed this out but a few days ago I was curious about Randle's 3 point shooting. I was thinking he might be taking a higher percentage of 3's from the corners and that was leading to higher 3 point percentages. Well I was partly right. He is currently on pace to taking his 2nd highest percentage of 3's in the corners just over 20% which is over 5% more than the previous couple seasons which is a fairly sizeable jump. The thing is he is shooting terribly on those threes at 21% which is easily the worst he shot on 3's since his first full season in the NBA where he didn't make one. So on non-corner 3's overall he must be shooting those really well. I'd assume at some point he would start making more corner 3's and other spots will drop off. He is shooting poorly from 3 so far this month but he is a streaky guy so we will see if he picks up that aspect of his shooting again.