4 Games Left In The Wilderness - Wizards at Wolves GDT

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Monster wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:50 am Tough loss against a bad team but the Wolves were missing half of their usual rotation it's not like they lost against a bad team with their full squad or something.

Dillingham did some good things but he was not looking good that 2nd half. Garza did soke good things including taking 2 charges but he wasnt getting buckets.

Ingles ended up with 4 TOs but he was clearly a positive and that's why he was in there.

Clark was more of a mixed bag but still looks like a guy that can earn minutes.

Biggest loser in this game? Josh Minott. He had 2 guys play like they deserved minutes over him this season.

Also while I don't know who like 2 of the Wizards starters even are they have some NBA players that can play so in some ways I'm a little surprised just how bad they are. Same with the Jazz or maybe even more so. Not sure if the Wizards coaching staff is good at their jobs.
This could be way off base, but I think TC has a minor Minott trade lined up and they've decided not to risk injury before the trade deadline.
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Monster wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:50 am Tough loss against a bad team but the Wolves were missing half of their usual rotation it's not like they lost against a bad team with their full squad or something.

Dillingham did some good things but he was not looking good that 2nd half. Garza did soke good things including taking 2 charges but he wasnt getting buckets.

Ingles ended up with 4 TOs but he was clearly a positive and that's why he was in there.

Clark was more of a mixed bag but still looks like a guy that can earn minutes.

Biggest loser in this game? Josh Minott. He had 2 guys play like they deserved minutes over him this season.

Also while I don't know who like 2 of the Wizards starters even are they have some NBA players that can play so in some ways I'm a little surprised just how bad they are. Same with the Jazz or maybe even more so. Not sure if the Wizards coaching staff is good at their jobs.
Monster, I agree that there is some talent on that Wizards team. I think the issue is Poole though. I don't think a team can be successful with Poole as your high scorer...he's a terrible defender, and might have the lowest BBIQ in the Association. The Wolves just didn't have enough offensive firepower available last night though to take advantage of him.
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DNatagal wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 10:23 am
FNG wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 9:21 am
DNatagal wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 10:55 pm
And Randle, and DDV, and Naz in the second half. That is your top 4 scorers at 70 ppg. Tough to overcome.
I watched this game, DN, and while I was counting this as an easy win yesterday afternoon, I'm where you are this morning. Did we really expect to replace the 70 points sitting on the bench with Ingles, Luka, Clark and Rob? Almost a mathematical impossibility. I'm going to chalk this one up to bad injury/illness luck, and hope all 4 are back soon.
This game really showed that Finch is part of the problem. He needed to give the kids more run. If you are going to lose, use it to help the kids get time. Trotting out the old heads last night was the wrong answer.
I think that's fair. I don't really have a problem with closing the game with the old heads, but could he at least given a couple of them a breather (in addition to Ingles) halfway through the 4th!?

And somewhat in Finch's defense, Dillingham's 3rd quarter stint was really bad. That doesn't mean though he couldn't have bounced back with a few minutes in the 4th.
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FNG wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 9:21 am
DNatagal wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 10:55 pm
thedoper wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 10:47 pm Well all that injury luck caught up to us. I guess without Ant we are the Wizards
And Randle, and DDV, and Naz in the second half. That is your top 4 scorers at 70 ppg. Tough to overcome.
I watched this game, DN, and while I was counting this as an easy win yesterday afternoon, I'm where you are this morning. Did we really expect to replace the 70 points sitting on the bench with Ingles, Luka, Clark and Rob? Almost a mathematical impossibility. I'm going to chalk this one up to bad injury/illness luck, and hope all 4 are back soon.
FNG - The 70 missing points is a red herring. The Wolves lost by 2 points. Meanwhile, NAW played 41 minutes and shot 4-14 from the field. That’s 28%! Naz shot 3-10 from the field. If NAW’s FG shooting had simply hit his season average of 44.5% the Wolves would have won the game without any more production from Naz.

The Wolves had an 82.1 offensive rating with Rob off the floor. It’s ridiculous that he had only 18 minutes while NAW had 41. At least 10 of NAW’s 41 minutes should have gone to Dilly. I think the result would have been different.
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Lipoli390 wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 12:32 pm
FNG wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 9:21 am
DNatagal wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 10:55 pm
And Randle, and DDV, and Naz in the second half. That is your top 4 scorers at 70 ppg. Tough to overcome.
I watched this game, DN, and while I was counting this as an easy win yesterday afternoon, I'm where you are this morning. Did we really expect to replace the 70 points sitting on the bench with Ingles, Luka, Clark and Rob? Almost a mathematical impossibility. I'm going to chalk this one up to bad injury/illness luck, and hope all 4 are back soon.
FNG - The 70 missing points is a red herring. The Wolves lost by 2 points. Meanwhile, NAW played 41 minutes and shot 4-14 from the field. That’s 28%! Naz shot 3-10 from the field. If NAW’s FG shooting had simply hit his season average of 44.5% the Wolves would have won the game without any more production from Naz.

The Wolves had an 82.1 offensive rating with Rob off the floor. It’s ridiculous that he had only 18 minutes while NAW had 41. At least 10 of NAW’s 41 minutes should have gone to Dilly. I think the result would have been different.
We'll never find out, but like I said above, Dillingham had a terrible 3rd quarter stint. He was electric when he first entered the game in the 1st half but things started to gradually deteriorate for him and then he was pretty bad in the 3rd.
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Lipoli390 wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 12:32 pm
FNG wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 9:21 am
DNatagal wrote: Sat Feb 01, 2025 10:55 pm
And Randle, and DDV, and Naz in the second half. That is your top 4 scorers at 70 ppg. Tough to overcome.
I watched this game, DN, and while I was counting this as an easy win yesterday afternoon, I'm where you are this morning. Did we really expect to replace the 70 points sitting on the bench with Ingles, Luka, Clark and Rob? Almost a mathematical impossibility. I'm going to chalk this one up to bad injury/illness luck, and hope all 4 are back soon.
FNG - The 70 missing points is a red herring. The Wolves lost by 2 points. Meanwhile, NAW played 41 minutes and shot 4-14 from the field. That’s 28%! Naz shot 3-10 from the field. If NAW’s FG shooting had simply hit his season average of 44.5% the Wolves would have won the game without any more production from Naz.

The Wolves had an 82.1 offensive rating with Rob off the floor. It’s ridiculous that he had only 18 minutes while NAW had 41. At least 10 of NAW’s 41 minutes should have gone to Dilly. I think the result would have been different.
You said you didn't watch the game so I will tell you NAW was playing well and deserved his minutes. He also got to the line 4 times and hit all his FTs. It's been weird seeing Dillingham struggle to make FTs. Defense was a problem for the Wolves in this game too and Dillingham isn't gonna help in that regard. Speaking of poor shooting Dilly shot 37.5% and none of his makes were 3's. Here is something to think about. Dillingham scored 7 points on 8 shots. NAW scored 14 points on 14 shots. NAW was actually more efficient in this game despite shooting worse from the floor. I'm a big fan of Dilly and thought this was gonna be a game for him to fill it up but he struggled a bit in the 2nd half and having 4 fouls also could have been a bit of a factor in his minutes being lower.

Personally I thought Finch played guy's down the stretch that had been playing well which at times he hasn't always done. Clark got some minutes because he was doing lots of good things and Ingles definitely deserved the minutes he got.
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Monster wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 12:53 pm
Lipoli390 wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 12:32 pm
FNG wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2025 9:21 am

I watched this game, DN, and while I was counting this as an easy win yesterday afternoon, I'm where you are this morning. Did we really expect to replace the 70 points sitting on the bench with Ingles, Luka, Clark and Rob? Almost a mathematical impossibility. I'm going to chalk this one up to bad injury/illness luck, and hope all 4 are back soon.
FNG - The 70 missing points is a red herring. The Wolves lost by 2 points. Meanwhile, NAW played 41 minutes and shot 4-14 from the field. That’s 28%! Naz shot 3-10 from the field. If NAW’s FG shooting had simply hit his season average of 44.5% the Wolves would have won the game without any more production from Naz.

The Wolves had an 82.1 offensive rating with Rob off the floor. It’s ridiculous that he had only 18 minutes while NAW had 41. At least 10 of NAW’s 41 minutes should have gone to Dilly. I think the result would have been different.
You said you didn't watch the game so I will tell you NAW was playing well and deserved his minutes. He also got to the line 4 times and hit all his FTs. It's been weird seeing Dillingham struggle to make FTs. Defense was a problem for the Wolves in this game too and Dillingham isn't gonna help in that regard. Speaking of poor shooting Dilly shot 37.5% and none of his makes were 3's. Here is something to think about. Dillingham scored 7 points on 8 shots. NAW scored 14 points on 14 shots. NAW was actually more efficient in this game despite shooting worse from the floor. I'm a big fan of Dilly and thought this was gonna be a game for him to fill it up but he struggled a bit in the 2nd half and having 4 fouls also could have been a bit of a factor in his minutes being lower.

Personally I thought Finch played guy's down the stretch that had been playing well which at times he hasn't always done. Clark got some minutes because he was doing lots of good things and Ingles definitely deserved the minutes he got.
I trust your take on NAW’s play but he obviously shot terribly from the field and his 4 free throws don’t make up for going 4 for 14 from the field. As I see it, we needed points. Scoring 103 points won’t win many games in the NBA. Dilly is a scorer; NAW isn’t. For my money, I would have loved to see what Dilly would have done with another 18 minutes on the court. Maybe the Wolves would have lost anyway but this was a lost opportunity to give Dilly more of a run to see what he can do and if nothing else give him valuable experience. That’s just my take.
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Pulling these younger players that miss a couple shots doesn't help their confidence. That is how you build tentative players. If they make a bonehead play, pull him and talk to them on the bench, then put them back in.
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