Other than maybe our own Wolves and the Clippers, NY has been the most mismanaged franchise in the NBA for decades.
I don't think they have been as well managed as other legacy teams like Boston, but they have certainly had some damn good teams over the decades. They have been to the conference Semis and conference Finals multiple times and lost to the.....wait for it....Indiana Pacers in 7-game series multiple times. Why didn't the NBA put their thumb on all those close series they lost to the small-market Pacers??? It would have been so much better for the NBA!
It's hard to discuss this with you Cam because I suspect you're quite a bit younger and you don't have a perspective that goes back to when Stern became commissioner. Without it I can see why you would be a doubter. But I suspect you do go back far enough to remember the 2002 Kings-Lakers series. It epitomizes what this discussion is all about. I'm not saying every series has been fixed between small and large market teams. But I think it's factual there was widespread corruption in the 80's and most of the 90's. The 2002 series may have been a turning point along with the Donaghy revelations. I've said many times it isn't nearly as prevalent today. But corruption is part of NBA history and I think it's fair to look at this series and wonder if it would happen again. No foul for the first 20 minutes of game time never happens, and neither do the Ant & Jaden stats I gave you the other day. The series isn't over yet, and I hope we get a fair shake the rest of the way.
There is definitely reason to question the NBA when it comes to corruption. I mean, just look at the trade that happened this year, and Nico's previous relations with LA. A player of Doncic's caliber doesn't ever get moved in secret like that. The lakers have been in LA for 65 years and have made the playoffs in 54 of those years. That's unheard of. It is no secret that they have the largest fanbase and generate the most revenue for the league. So they're always kept relevant.
A ref got caught betting/cheating games and said he is not the only one. He just was the one who got caught.
Is it really coincidence that Cleveland got the #1 pick when hometown LeBron was entering the draft? Or Chicago with hometown DRose?
I don't think they have been as well managed as other legacy teams like Boston, but they have certainly had some damn good teams over the decades. They have been to the conference Semis and conference Finals multiple times and lost to the.....wait for it....Indiana Pacers in 7-game series multiple times. Why didn't the NBA put their thumb on all those close series they lost to the small-market Pacers??? It would have been so much better for the NBA!
It's hard to discuss this with you Cam because I suspect you're quite a bit younger and you don't have a perspective that goes back to when Stern became commissioner. Without it I can see why you would be a doubter. But I suspect you do go back far enough to remember the 2002 Kings-Lakers series. It epitomizes what this discussion is all about. I'm not saying every series has been fixed between small and large market teams. But I think it's factual there was widespread corruption in the 80's and most of the 90's. The 2002 series may have been a turning point along with the Donaghy revelations. I've said many times it isn't nearly as prevalent today. But corruption is part of NBA history and I think it's fair to look at this series and wonder if it would happen again. No foul for the first 20 minutes of game time never happens, and neither do the Ant & Jaden stats I gave you the other day. The series isn't over yet, and I hope we get a fair shake the rest of the way.
There is definitely reason to question the NBA when it comes to corruption. I mean, just look at the trade that happened this year, and Nico's previous relations with LA. A player of Doncic's caliber doesn't ever get moved in secret like that. The lakers have been in LA for 65 years and have made the playoffs in 54 of those years. That's unheard of. It is no secret that they have the largest fanbase and generate the most revenue for the league. So they're always kept relevant.
A ref got caught betting/cheating games and said he is not the only one. He just was the one who got caught.
Is it really coincidence that Cleveland got the #1 pick when hometown LeBron was entering the draft? Or Chicago with hometown DRose?
I'm 100% not comfortable yet with this series.
Don't forget the frozen envelope during Patrick Ewing's lottery. They had to go to ping pong balls due to that fraud. And then there was Stern openly cheering for the 76ers in the arena during the 2001 Eastern conference finals. Don't tell me it's never been about markets.
Coolbreeze44 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 29, 2025 6:32 pm
It's hard to discuss this with you Cam because I suspect you're quite a bit younger and you don't have a perspective that goes back to when Stern became commissioner. Without it I can see why you would be a doubter. But I suspect you do go back far enough to remember the 2002 Kings-Lakers series. It epitomizes what this discussion is all about. I'm not saying every series has been fixed between small and large market teams. But I think it's factual there was widespread corruption in the 80's and most of the 90's. The 2002 series may have been a turning point along with the Donaghy revelations. I've said many times it isn't nearly as prevalent today. But corruption is part of NBA history and I think it's fair to look at this series and wonder if it would happen again. No foul for the first 20 minutes of game time never happens, and neither do the Ant & Jaden stats I gave you the other day. The series isn't over yet, and I hope we get a fair shake the rest of the way.
There is definitely reason to question the NBA when it comes to corruption. I mean, just look at the trade that happened this year, and Nico's previous relations with LA. A player of Doncic's caliber doesn't ever get moved in secret like that. The lakers have been in LA for 65 years and have made the playoffs in 54 of those years. That's unheard of. It is no secret that they have the largest fanbase and generate the most revenue for the league. So they're always kept relevant.
A ref got caught betting/cheating games and said he is not the only one. He just was the one who got caught.
Is it really coincidence that Cleveland got the #1 pick when hometown LeBron was entering the draft? Or Chicago with hometown DRose?
I'm 100% not comfortable yet with this series.
Don't forget the frozen envelope during Patrick Ewing's lottery. They had to go to ping pong balls due to that fraud. And then there was Stern openly cheering for the 76ers in the arena during the 2001 Eastern conference finals. Don't tell me it's never been about markets.
Hell, we just all witnessed it carry over to the WNBA too the other year. Lynx playing NY and the commissioner is wearing a NY skyline dress and the refs jobbed the Lynx at the end. Who supplements the WNBA? Silver and the NBA.
There is definitely reason to question the NBA when it comes to corruption. I mean, just look at the trade that happened this year, and Nico's previous relations with LA. A player of Doncic's caliber doesn't ever get moved in secret like that. The lakers have been in LA for 65 years and have made the playoffs in 54 of those years. That's unheard of. It is no secret that they have the largest fanbase and generate the most revenue for the league. So they're always kept relevant.
A ref got caught betting/cheating games and said he is not the only one. He just was the one who got caught.
Is it really coincidence that Cleveland got the #1 pick when hometown LeBron was entering the draft? Or Chicago with hometown DRose?
I'm 100% not comfortable yet with this series.
Don't forget the frozen envelope during Patrick Ewing's lottery. They had to go to ping pong balls due to that fraud. And then there was Stern openly cheering for the 76ers in the arena during the 2001 Eastern conference finals. Don't tell me it's never been about markets.
Hell, we just all witnessed it carry over to the WNBA too the other year. Lynx playing NY and the commissioner is wearing a NY skyline dress and the refs jobbed the Lynx at the end. Who supplements the WNBA? Silver and the NBA.
Other than maybe our own Wolves and the Clippers, NY has been the most mismanaged franchise in the NBA for decades.
I don't think they have been as well managed as other legacy teams like Boston, but they have certainly had some damn good teams over the decades. They have been to the conference Semis and conference Finals multiple times and lost to the.....wait for it....Indiana Pacers in 7-game series multiple times. Why didn't the NBA put their thumb on all those close series they lost to the small-market Pacers??? It would have been so much better for the NBA!
It's hard to discuss this with you Cam because I suspect you're quite a bit younger and you don't have a perspective that goes back to when Stern became commissioner. Without it I can see why you would be a doubter. But I suspect you do go back far enough to remember the 2002 Kings-Lakers series. It epitomizes what this discussion is all about. I'm not saying every series has been fixed between small and large market teams. But I think it's factual there was widespread corruption in the 80's and most of the 90's. The 2002 series may have been a turning point along with the Donaghy revelations. I've said many times it isn't nearly as prevalent today. But corruption is part of NBA history and I think it's fair to look at this series and wonder if it would happen again. No foul for the first 20 minutes of game time never happens, and neither do the Ant & Jaden stats I gave you the other day. The series isn't over yet, and I hope we get a fair shake the rest of the way.
Wait, now you're calling me Cam!? That's weird.
You say it's factual that there was widespread corruption in the 80s and most of the 90s when all I see is it's your opinion. I thought the Lakers, Celtics and Bulls won a lot of titles because they actually had three of the best players to ever play along with HoF team mates and coaches, but perhaps you can produce actual verifiable facts that would suggest otherwise.
As for Donaghy, he was indeed corrupt and he was busted. But he was not in cahoots with the league or ref union to bolster big market teams which is the basis of your overall claim.
And finally, the 2002 Kings-Lakers game was indeed a travesty and the refs were biased in favor of the star-studded Lakers. But I'm pretty sure that if it was fixed in cooperation with the NBA and/or Ref union, someone directly involved would have talked by now. Either way, it's pure speculation on your part that it was fixed by the NBA.
I don't think they have been as well managed as other legacy teams like Boston, but they have certainly had some damn good teams over the decades. They have been to the conference Semis and conference Finals multiple times and lost to the.....wait for it....Indiana Pacers in 7-game series multiple times. Why didn't the NBA put their thumb on all those close series they lost to the small-market Pacers??? It would have been so much better for the NBA!
It's hard to discuss this with you Cam because I suspect you're quite a bit younger and you don't have a perspective that goes back to when Stern became commissioner. Without it I can see why you would be a doubter. But I suspect you do go back far enough to remember the 2002 Kings-Lakers series. It epitomizes what this discussion is all about. I'm not saying every series has been fixed between small and large market teams. But I think it's factual there was widespread corruption in the 80's and most of the 90's. The 2002 series may have been a turning point along with the Donaghy revelations. I've said many times it isn't nearly as prevalent today. But corruption is part of NBA history and I think it's fair to look at this series and wonder if it would happen again. No foul for the first 20 minutes of game time never happens, and neither do the Ant & Jaden stats I gave you the other day. The series isn't over yet, and I hope we get a fair shake the rest of the way.
Wait, now you're calling me Cam!? That's weird.
Hahaha, Freudian slip. I'm going to shelve this discussion at this point.
The number of articles I have read in the past week from Lakers shills that believe the LAKERS are getting screwed by the refs is more then all of our posts combined! The non call on the "blatant" trip by Jaden on Luka, the "marginal contact" by LeBron on Ant, etc etc.
The refs sure allow Luka and LeBron to attack and point at them a ton without a T. Love the clip of Ant asking the ref, while LeBron was yelling and pointing at the ref no less, why that wasn't a T. Ant stated quite correctly that he would have been T'ed up for it!
DNatagal wrote: ↑Wed Apr 30, 2025 12:19 pm
The number of articles I have read in the past week from Lakers shills that believe the LAKERS are getting screwed by the refs is more then all of our posts combined! The non call on the "blatant" trip by Jaden on Luka, the "marginal contact" by LeBron on Ant, etc etc.
The refs sure allow Luka and LeBron to attack and point at them a ton without a T. Love the clip of Ant asking the ref, while LeBron was yelling and pointing at the ref no less, why that wasn't a T. Ant stated quite correctly that he would have been T'ed up for it!
They could never just lose to the,,,, ugh, Timberwolves fair and square! They have sucked forever. We are the Lakers, We have KING JAMES and Luka MTHR FCKIN Doncic! We are suppose to win. Everyone on TV said so!!!
DNatagal wrote: ↑Wed Apr 30, 2025 12:19 pm
The number of articles I have read in the past week from Lakers shills that believe the LAKERS are getting screwed by the refs is more then all of our posts combined! The non call on the "blatant" trip by Jaden on Luka, the "marginal contact" by LeBron on Ant, etc etc.
The refs sure allow Luka and LeBron to attack and point at them a ton without a T. Love the clip of Ant asking the ref, while LeBron was yelling and pointing at the ref no less, why that wasn't a T. Ant stated quite correctly that he would have been T'ed up for it!
Yeah, it is amazing how much rope those guys are given. Draymond (who we might see in the next series assuming we close this out) is the absolute worst though. He should be kicked out of nearly every game. LeBron and Luka may be annoying and whiny, but Draymond is legit a reckless and dirty player.
