Bring Them All Back?

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AbeVigodaLive wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 11:07 am
Phenom wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 8:38 am
AbeVigodaLive wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 8:30 am



How much is fan favoritism worth?

Reid knows he could be a starter on other teams. And, more importantly, knows he could make starter money on another team. He might give a slight discount... but even that's a lot to ask. "Hey Reid, take less money... AND... play less for us."

I'm less optimistic he's resigning than I was earlier in the season. He's only 25 so he's in the "Gotta get mine" stage in his career. He can do that better elsewhere.
He is only 25 and could still have a lot of starting roles here as Rudy winds down.


That's easy for us to say.

But, it's just not the norm for a solid, respected player at that age to compromise both his current and future earnings and endorsements and just playing time like that.

Not saying that it can't happen... but it's not very common for a 25-year-old pro athlete to pass up more money and more playing time for multiple seasons.
I'm still skeptical he will be turning down more money. It's also the state of the NBA now. Big money moves are not as common on the open market. The league is in more of a sign and ask for a trade later state.

Naz is also characterized as one who truly despises losing. Is he eager to go to a rebuild in Brooklyn?
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everybody can't go.


That's the reality. Even the Nuggets couldn't keep Bruce Brown. The way things are, you gotta be able to replenish. I can't keep asking Naz to take less and accept what he might think is a lesser role just because it makes us happy. I'm sure Randle wants stability for his 3 kids and wouldn't mind staying for less than what he makes now. NAW would love to stay and he took $9 mil total for 2 years. If someone offers him a ton, congratulations, but then it can't be here. Rudy extended. Jaden extended. Ant extended. Guys have taken Gupta specials and vet mins. Winning a title MIGHT convince guys to keep it going, but otherwise, the CBA is telling us to make new role players and roll only with the core pieces.
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Phenom wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 8:38 am
AbeVigodaLive wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 8:30 am
TheFuture wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 12:57 am I hope they do, including NAW. Reid is a fan favorite, but he is so one dimensional and not worth what you said at 27mil a year. In my opinion, he should be offered closer to 15-17mil per year over 4 years. And he would be stupid to walk away from MN because they absolutely love him and it is his best option for outside $.

Offer Randle 25mil per over 4.

NAW 8-10 per over 4.

Hit in the draft at PG/C.

Conley and Rudy contracts will fall off soon enough.


How much is fan favoritism worth?

Reid knows he could be a starter on other teams. And, more importantly, knows he could make starter money on another team. He might give a slight discount... but even that's a lot to ask. "Hey Reid, take less money... AND... play less for us."

I'm less optimistic he's resigning than I was earlier in the season. He's only 25 so he's in the "Gotta get mine" stage in his career. He can do that better elsewhere.
He is only 25 and could still have a lot of starting roles here as Rudy winds down.
Naz also ain't a center, which should be this team's #1 priority in terms of development going forward aside from Dillingham. Find a developmental center who can take over for Rudy when Father Time arrives. That's not Naz.
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WildWolf2813 wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 4:48 pm everybody can't go.


That's the reality. Even the Nuggets couldn't keep Bruce Brown. The way things are, you gotta be able to replenish. I can't keep asking Naz to take less and accept what he might think is a lesser role just because it makes us happy. I'm sure Randle wants stability for his 3 kids and wouldn't mind staying for less than what he makes now. NAW would love to stay and he took $9 mil total for 2 years. If someone offers him a ton, congratulations, but then it can't be here. Rudy extended. Jaden extended. Ant extended. Guys have taken Gupta specials and vet mins. Winning a title MIGHT convince guys to keep it going, but otherwise, the CBA is telling us to make new role players and roll only with the core pieces.
The Nuggets ownership were clearly less willing to sign players in terms of the Luxury tax than what we have seen with the Wolves the last couple seasons.

I think NAW unless he doesn't find his shot at all this playoffs is probably a 10 million plus guy. He is that versatile defensive guard so many teams could use. Maybe he won't chase all the money but I'm guessing there will be some teams willing to pay to get him. Maybe that doesn't happen and if so there are some teams that will have missed out on a opportunity to add a pretty good player for a decent chunk of money. It seems like the Wolves have 2 guys in Clark and TSJ that are ready to step into that role plus they have 2 draft picks. I still think there might be a route where some team does a creative sign and trade and the Wolves get something back for NAW. Anderson got what 9 million last year?
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WildWolf2813 wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 4:50 pm
Phenom wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 8:38 am
AbeVigodaLive wrote: Fri May 02, 2025 8:30 am



How much is fan favoritism worth?

Reid knows he could be a starter on other teams. And, more importantly, knows he could make starter money on another team. He might give a slight discount... but even that's a lot to ask. "Hey Reid, take less money... AND... play less for us."

I'm less optimistic he's resigning than I was earlier in the season. He's only 25 so he's in the "Gotta get mine" stage in his career. He can do that better elsewhere.
He is only 25 and could still have a lot of starting roles here as Rudy winds down.
Naz also ain't a center, which should be this team's #1 priority in terms of development going forward aside from Dillingham. Find a developmental center who can take over for Rudy when Father Time arrives. That's not Naz.
No, he's not but they should still keep him. He can start In a pinch, he can start next to Ju for a period until a better option is there. He's part of the death lineup anyway.
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This is hard because I really like this team as it is, and it's hard to imagine losing a key player.

Assuming we aren't going to go over the second apron and we have to let one guy go, it would probably be NAW, right? That's hard for me because I love the guy, and frankly, he's much more valuable than 10 million per year. He's an energetic, lockdown perimeter defender who can space the floor as well as handle the ball and distribute a bit too. Although we didn't use him that much in the Laker series, he was so crucial for us in the playoffs last year, and I can see him get plenty of duty in this next series as well. A guy like him is a perfect counter in the playoffs to a dangerous opposing guard, especially because he doesn't hurt you on the offensive end like many other defensive specialists do.

I also don't think we will trade Randle or let Naz go, mostly because we've got no legit backup plan for those guys. Minott had a chance to establish himself a bit earlier this year and just didn't do it. And I don't have much hope for Miller. Garza is Rudy injury insurance.

In contrast, both Clark and TSJ look like they can contribute, and there's no way we're trading Donte on that great contract. Mike is making almost 11 million next year, but would we really let him go and leave Dillingham as the only real PG on the roster? If that could keep us under the apron, if it didn't cost us too much to trade him, and if Mike was ok with it, part of me would kind of like to try it. Start Donte as a quasi-PG and bring Dillingham and NAW off the bench? Risky, but I think it could work. But realistically, I can't see us doing that.

So it's really all about NAW. I feel like Clark might be able to replace his defense, but I suspect he'll be a liability on the other end and in the playoffs that could really hurt us because opponents could help off him and hide bad defenders on him in a way they can't with NAW. TSJ looks to be a very good bucket-getter and I like his size, but can he hit consistently from outside and defend as well as NAW? I don't see it right now. So even though I'm interested in what those guys could become, I think you're kind of hoping that they become as good as NAW, but there's no guarantee.

So I do think if somebody's got to go, it'll likely be NAW unfortunately. The question is, could we get something in return for a sign-and-trade? Maybe a non-guaranteed contract that we could cut plus a future pick? I'm not sure how the CBA works in scenarios like this.
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This game is why we need to wait on this thread
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kekgeek wrote: Tue May 06, 2025 11:16 pm This game is why we need to wait on this thread
My on again off again stance on Randle is off. And it's going to take more than a couple games to get back on.
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kekgeek wrote: Tue May 06, 2025 11:16 pm This game is why we need to wait on this thread
Yup. If we lose this series folks are going to have a different take. Wolves fans were coming off a high after the Lakers series, and rightfully so.
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Q-is-here wrote: Tue May 06, 2025 11:20 pm
kekgeek wrote: Tue May 06, 2025 11:16 pm This game is why we need to wait on this thread
Yup. If we lose this series folks are going to have a different take. Wolves fans were coming off a high after the Lakers series, and rightfully so.
Only if he really turns it around I think Naw is gone. Second straight postseason his shot goes into the garbage. What is concerning
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