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Lipoli390 wrote: Sun Jun 01, 2025 10:30 am I would not trade any of our assets for Kevin Durant. I think it’s ridiculous to think that adding a 37 year old Kevin Durant will get this team over the hump from being easily dispatched in the Conference Finals two years in a row to winning a title. Without getting into too much detail, lets look at Durant from four angle:

First, can Durant be counted on to play? The answer is no. Durant has a history of missing a lot of games. He played 70 or more games in only two of the last 9 seasons. He played 62 games last season, 47 in 2022-23 and 55 in 2021-22. Turning 37 this off season further increases the odds he’ll miss a lot of games. Missing a lot of games not only leaves you without whatever value he brings to the court for much of the season, it also disrupts your team’s continuity.

Second, how much can Durant be counted on to help this team win when on the court and would his presence in the games he plays get us over the hump into the NBA finals? I think the answers are pretty obvious. How much would he help us win? Not much. Would he get us over the hump? No. So even if he plays 70+ games, which is highly doubtful, I don’t see Durant moving the needle for us. Why do I say that? First, look at how his recent teams have performed? The Suns won only 39 games with Durant playing alongside allstar Devin Booker. The season before, the Suns won only 49 games and were knocked out by the Wolves in the 1st round. The previous season, Durant arrived in Phoenix in time for the playoffs and the Suns were ousted in the semifinals. In each of his two full seasons in Brooklyn, the Nets won 48 and 44 games respectively, never making the Conference Finals. And back then Durant was in his early 30s and had not yet torn his Achilles.

Third, Durant would make us worse in areas we faltered this past season. We declined defensively and Durant would clearly make us worse defensively. We were often too slow and lacked ball movement offensively and Durant makes us marginally worse in those areas as well.

Fourth, Durant’s presence (assuming he plays a significant number of games) stifles the development of our young talent like TSJ and Clark while also impeding the expansion of Jaden’s role offensively, which I consider key to the growth of this team over the next few years.

Bottom line is that I can think of very few things as dumb as trading ANYTHING for Kevin Durant this offseason. Instead of giving up assets for a 37 year old Durant, we should be focusing on other options and the need to figure out how we deal with the declining 37 year old Mike Conley.
I'm not entirely all in on Durant here. But let's go through Lip's concerns:

1) Durant missed 20 games this season. But he played 75 games last season. (He's played more games than Randle over the past two seasons.) As Lip pointed out, he missed A LOT of games those first couple of years after the achilles tear... which happened when he was with GSW by the way. But that sort of plays against his (4th) point. Multiple players would go out in the trade, which would open up more spots in the rotation. Plus, an older Durant will inevitably miss a few games, which would give more opportunities for the younger players. And I also don't know why Durant would impede McDaniels' possible ascension more than Randle would. In fact, I like the idea of McDaniels learning from Durant since there are obvious physical similarities.

2) I disagree that Durant wouldn't help the Wolves win. What if the Wolves were getting this guy...

27 ppg
6 reb
5 ast
52% / 42% / 84% shooting splits.

That would be one of the greatest offensive seasons in Timberwolves history.

Oh. Wait. That's Durant over the past two seasons. The man is one of the most efficient bucket getters... ever.

The Nets were 93 - 44 with Durant (yes, they won only 48 games in year 1, but it was a shortened season... even though Durant was still recovering from the achilles and missed a lot of games).

They lost in OT in Game 7 to the eventual champs (Bucks)... after an official review determined Durant's toe grazed the three-point line on a potential series-winning shot. It was not just making it to the 2nd round. Consider...

35.4 ppg
10.6 reb
5.4 ast
1.6 blk
1.1 stl

Those are Durant's numbers for that series... which would easily be the greatest statistical series in Wolves playoff history. Now... consider this...

Joe Harris played the 2nd most minutes in that series and the sharpshooter shot 34.7%. Blake Griffin played the 3rd most. Heck, Mike James... a journeyman 30-year old vet who played 49 games in his entire NBA career averaged 15+ mpg in that series. And yet, Kevin Durant's toe was the only reason the Nets didn't advance. He CARRIED that team.

The next year they went 44 - 38... but 36 - 19 with Durant. Remember, Kyrie only played 29 games that season and Harden was traded. Here are who played more games than Durant... Patty Mills (81), Bruce Brown (72), James Johnson (67), rookie Cam Thomas (62) and the ghost of Blake Griffin (56). The Nets played an incredible 24 different players that season. And still made the playoffs in large part because of how good they were with Durant on the court.

Last year, the Suns were 33 -29 with Durant... and 3 - 17 without him.

3) As for defense, Phoenix was terrible last season but decent the season before (#13). Interestingly, however, some Phoenix fans (and his head coach) were upset when Durant didn't make the All Defensive team in 2024. He was 7th in the league in FG Diff % that year among forwards, meaning opposing players shot significantly worse against him than their average. He guarded the opposing teams' best players at times... and played some small ball 5. His length is his secret weapon, obviously and may help stave off Father Time a bit longer.

As for ball movement and pace... the Wolves have been 24th each of the past two seasons... two of the most successful seasons in franchise history. If Gobert is still here, I don't really seeing that change much regardless of who else is here. As for ball movement, I don't see Durant stifling the offense. He can pass and willingly move the ball and can also add a complementary efficient mid-range game.

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Kevin Durant is not a perfect player. He wouldn't be available otherwise. But he's damn good. Still. Even if he starts to regress... Would he only average 23 ppg with great efficiency? That's still awesome! The obvious question is what's it going to cost? Because that contract is huge for next season.

Could an under-the-table deal be reached where he gets his wish to come to Minnesota... and resigns for A LOT less next offseason? Is that worth the risk for the Wolves?

I'd have to see what assets are given up... but I do know Kevin Durant is still one helluva good basketball player.
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Great write-up Abe. I had a similar reaction to a lot of folks here when it came to Durant, but if you look at it totally objectively, he is still a great player. His season last year offensively was better than Ant's if you look at just the sheer efficiency of it on high volume scoring. Now I'm not sure he was doubled and blitzed as much as Ant, but still, the guy is almost an automatic 20-30 per game with very few cold stretches.

I think the devil is in the details when it comes to Durant. Phoenix is going to want to have something besides expiring deals. How much are we willing to give up? Certainly not Jaden. But what about Dillingham? DDV? Shannon? Draft pick? Or some combination therein?
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Q-is-here wrote: Mon Jun 02, 2025 8:37 am Great write-up Abe. I had a similar reaction to a lot of folks here when it came to Durant, but if you look at it totally objectively, he is still a great player. His season last year offensively was better than Ant's if you look at just the sheer efficiency of it on high volume scoring. Now I'm not sure he was doubled and blitzed as much as Ant, but still, the guy is almost an automatic 20-30 per game with very few cold stretches.

I think the devil is in the details when it comes to Durant. Phoenix is going to want to have something besides expiring deals. How much are we willing to give up? Certainly not Jaden. But what about Dillingham? DDV? Shannon? Draft pick? Or some combination therein?
Heck no to Shannon. Guys who can actually play well and on rookie deals are priceless in the league. Clark is off limits also. The upside for these guys is tremendous.

I wouldn't like having Dilly in there or DDV, but it wouldn't kill me, or Naz. If that's what TC thinks then I trust in TC. They've seen more from Dilly to have an idea of wether he'll likely be an All Star to rotation guy to bust. I simply know less, not seeing him practice and work day to day.

I think the more likley path is getting quality PG who can playmake and score. It's a safer route and simply guts the roster less since KD's money is so high you simply have to package dudes. That's the biggest drawback. I like having great depth.
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Maybe better for a different thread... but here's my impromptu list of assets I'm willing to part with...

- Minott. Miller. Meh. Minott's contract will be picked up... so they can use the salary in a trade.

- Dillingham. A bit of sunk cost because of trading up to get him. But his value is still high and would command something valuable in return. He showed flashes, but probably has some doubters out there, too.

- Clark. Just a hunch, but I don't think he'll ever shoot above 43% again on threes. Or even close. 8 TOs on the season is insane. His ability to get to the line is commendable, but is it because he's sorta awkward in getting to the rim? In any event, I see Trenton Hassell comparisons... both good and bad. He's an expiring next year, so his salary would go up if he's actually a legit NBA rotation player.

- Reid. A staple of recent Wolves teams. I guess losing him depends on two things... (1) how much money does he want (2) who replaces him. I think we're seeing Reid nearing/hitting his plateau. I did like his improved passing this year though. He was totally worth $14M as a great backup player... but would he be worth $24M? Meh.

- TJ Shannon. OK. Some promise. Some legit chops. He looks the part... but what part will it be? I like him a lot more as Edwards' lite/backup than next to him on the court. So how much value does he have on this team? His rookie deal is very nice. As with many of these... the devil is in the details of what the Wolves would be getting back for him.

- Divincenzo. I like everything about the guy in theory. Got a bit of toughness. Energy. Shooting. Skill. And a great salary. But if we look closer, he's had one good/great season in his career. He's a valuable piece with a valuable contract... so he'd have suitors. But I don't think he was ever fully comfortable with the Timberwolves. Would he ever get there?

- NAW. I don't see him coming back. And I don't think the Wolves should pay what others would pay him. Solid player during his time here though. Likeable guy.

- Gobert. I just don't see what they get for him. And, despite his super duper glaring flaws... he brings so many other things to the table that help define the Timberwolves. I don't see him leaving.

- Conley. Sounds like maybe the Wolves and Conley agreed on a two-year deal with Conley finishing his career here. Maybe he changes his mind? Either way, $10M+ for a respected veteran leader who can make open shots is not the worst thing in the world.

- #17 and #31. Are the Wolves close enough to make a legit run for a title? Rookie deals are great, especially in light of the Gobert trade (and our past history with the Joe Smith fiasco). But, again, what are we getting back for one/both of these picks?
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https://x.com/sneakersteal/status/1929173426029158502

Durant's new shoe colors sure look a lot like Wolves colors.
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AbeVigodaLive wrote: Mon Jun 02, 2025 7:29 am
2) I disagree that Durant wouldn't help the Wolves win. What if the Wolves were getting this guy...

27 ppg
6 reb
5 ast
52% / 42% / 84% shooting splits.

That would be one of the greatest offensive seasons in Timberwolves history.


Oh. Wait. That's Durant over the past two seasons. The man is one of the most efficient bucket getters... ever.

Or KAT's career shooting splits! 52.4/40/83.7

We traded that away because it wasn't good enough. Why bring in a guy 8 years older to give us the same production?
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mjs34 wrote: Mon Jun 02, 2025 10:40 am
AbeVigodaLive wrote: Mon Jun 02, 2025 7:29 am
2) I disagree that Durant wouldn't help the Wolves win. What if the Wolves were getting this guy...

27 ppg
6 reb
5 ast
52% / 42% / 84% shooting splits.

That would be one of the greatest offensive seasons in Timberwolves history.


Oh. Wait. That's Durant over the past two seasons. The man is one of the most efficient bucket getters... ever.

Or KAT's career shooting splits! 52.4/40/83.7

We traded that away because it wasn't good enough. Why bring in a guy 8 years older to give us the same production?
Durant isn't below avg really on defense though. in fact I was watching some podcasts saying he's one of the best defenders on the Suns the last two years. I admit I haven't watched enough of the Suns/Durant, also being one of the best on a mediocre team doesn't say a bunch either.

Durant also doesn't get into foul trouble /constantly attacked by the opposing team to get him off the floor. Durant can also get his shot off easier without relying on teammates. I trust an ISO Durant on the wing or top versus KAT. I just see a contested Durant shot going in more (maybe the best ever at it), while KAT will pass it up for a drive and too often offensive fouls or a miss fall to the ground and fast break the other way.

So while the numbers are similar, Durant is a far superior player still in my view and I think most people would agree. Now the age is a concern also. So a lot to evaluate.
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Id be shocked if we could pull of a Durant trade. He is definitely still an asset, though high risk. The best thing about trading for him is that it gives us the window to retool for the next iteration of this team with Ant and Jaden leading the way. If we somehow traded a Rudy package for Durant and we play small with KD in Rudy's spot I think we would have a really interesting team. Our D would take a hit but we got steamrolled anyway by the Thunder anyway. We'd be looking at #1 offense potential with KD on this team.
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thedoper wrote: Mon Jun 02, 2025 11:04 am Id be shocked if we could pull of a Durant trade. He is definitely still an asset, though high risk. The best thing about trading for him is that it gives us the window to retool for the next iteration of this team with Ant and Jaden leading the way. If we somehow traded a Rudy package for Durant and we play small with KD in Rudy's spot I think we would have a really interesting team. Our D would take a hit but we got steamrolled anyway by the Thunder anyway. We'd be looking at #1 offense potential with KD on this team.
I'm sorry, but with all due respect, this is a terrible idea. You want to run a frontcourt lineup of Durant/Randle or Naz? I don't even know if that team makes the playoffs in the West.
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TheFuture wrote: Mon Jun 02, 2025 12:38 pm
thedoper wrote: Mon Jun 02, 2025 11:04 am Id be shocked if we could pull of a Durant trade. He is definitely still an asset, though high risk. The best thing about trading for him is that it gives us the window to retool for the next iteration of this team with Ant and Jaden leading the way. If we somehow traded a Rudy package for Durant and we play small with KD in Rudy's spot I think we would have a really interesting team. Our D would take a hit but we got steamrolled anyway by the Thunder anyway. We'd be looking at #1 offense potential with KD on this team.
I'm sorry, but with all due respect, this is a terrible idea. You want to run a frontcourt lineup of Durant/Randle or Naz? I don't even know if that team makes the playoffs in the West.
The reason you do this is not for just next year it’s to get off long term Rudy money. Then in the summer of 2026. Conley, Randle and KD all come off the books, what is approximately 100 million.
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