Wolves vs OKC Plus Minus Ranks

[KG4Ever]

Plus Minus Ranks of Wolves vs OKC in playoffs:

Conley +11
Gobert +9
Clark +2 (3 games)
Dilly -2 (3 games)
Shannon -5(4 games)
Jaden -7
NAW -11
Randle -24
Naz -30
Ant -41
DDV -51

[KG4Ever]

The former page is from manual calculations looking at each box score total plus/minus. The below is from NBA.com which has the same numbers on a per game basis.

Wolves vs OKC Plus Minus per game from NBA.com
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/tradi ... 1610612760

Wolves vs All Playoff Teams Plus Minus per game from NBA.com
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/tradi ... PLUS_MINUS

Wolves vs OKC during Regular Season Plus/MInus
https://www.nba.com/stats/players/tradi ... PLUS_MINUS Dilly is PLUS 43!

[KG4Ever]

Despite hearing that Rudy was the problem in the OKC series, he actually was a net positive with the second best plus/minus on team. He was also second to Jaden in the playoffs overall and best Wolf during regular season. Last seeason, Rudy had a team best plus/minus in playoffs and was second best in regular season at 5.4 per game just a shade below Ant's 5.5. Rudy clearly isn't the problem and I think it would be a huge mistake to unload him for a soon to be 37 year old Durant.

[KG4Ever]

Also, the little played Clark and TSJ did relatively well in the playoffs and meanwhile DDV was horrible. This is one of the things that irks me with Finch is that he sticks to the same rotation guys for the most part even when they bomb. DDV should have been benched game 1 when he was bricklaying all game and while he wasn't the only one, Naz and NAW should have seen more benchtime that game too. We need a coach who can go deeper in the rotation when need be. That is why I love OKC and Indiana as they will use anyone on their roster that can help.

[KG4Ever]

I love DDV and so it pains me to say that his fit here has been bad. He was the worst rotation player in both the playoffs and regular season on a plus minus basis. In fact, every playoff series, he was an overall negative. For some reason, shooters come to Minnesota who have had success elsewhere and then bomb when put on the bench.

[Q-is-here]

Despite hearing that Rudy was the problem in the OKC series, he actually was a net positive with the second best plus/minus on team. He was also second to Jaden in the playoffs overall and best Wolf during regular season. Last seeason, Rudy had a team best plus/minus in playoffs and was second best in regular season at 5.4 per game just a shade below Ant's 5.5. Rudy clearly isn't the problem and I think it would be a huge mistake to unload him for a soon to be 37 year old Durant.

You mean you've just discovered this!? I thought trading for Rudy was the worst trade in NBA history and that any type of playoff success he's contributed to is meaningless if it isn't a Title. We've been posting these types of stats on Rudy (and others) for years.

[FNG]

Despite hearing that Rudy was the problem in the OKC series, he actually was a net positive with the second best plus/minus on team. He was also second to Jaden in the playoffs overall and best Wolf during regular season. Last seeason, Rudy had a team best plus/minus in playoffs and was second best in regular season at 5.4 per game just a shade below Ant's 5.5. Rudy clearly isn't the problem and I think it would be a huge mistake to unload him for a soon to be 37 year old Durant.

You mean you've just discovered this!? I thought trading for Rudy was the worst trade in NBA history and that any type of playoff success he's contributed to is meaningless if it isn't a Title. We've been posting these types of stats on Rudy (and others) for years.

Yeah, Rudy is much maligned by the casual fan because of his stone hands and poor shooting. You'd think that with those two issues, he would be a liability on the court, but the numbers always prove otherwise. His defense is superb of course. But his impact on offense can't be overlooked. He is an elite screener, and it's notable how many times his pick frees up Ant for either a trey or a drive to the rim. And he keeps so many offensive possessions alive with either rebounds or tap outs (which don't show up in the box score). I thought our three best players against OkC were Rudy, Conley and Jaden. although Jaden's +/- suffered by always being on the court when SGA was out there. I'm not sure what happened to Ant on defense against OkC, but I thought he was terrible. And it's reflected in his disastrous -41, with only Donte worse. We need Ant to be a consistent 2-way player. We're not going anywhere if our star gets outscored by 41 points in a series!

By the way, Jaden, Rudy and Mike were our three best on/off performers for the entire playoffs.

[Q-is-here]

Despite hearing that Rudy was the problem in the OKC series, he actually was a net positive with the second best plus/minus on team. He was also second to Jaden in the playoffs overall and best Wolf during regular season. Last seeason, Rudy had a team best plus/minus in playoffs and was second best in regular season at 5.4 per game just a shade below Ant's 5.5. Rudy clearly isn't the problem and I think it would be a huge mistake to unload him for a soon to be 37 year old Durant.

You mean you've just discovered this!? I thought trading for Rudy was the worst trade in NBA history and that any type of playoff success he's contributed to is meaningless if it isn't a Title. We've been posting these types of stats on Rudy (and others) for years.

Yeah, Rudy is much maligned by the casual fan because of his stone hands and poor shooting. You'd think that with those two issues, he would be a liability on the court, but the numbers always prove otherwise. His defense is superb of course. But his impact on offense can't be overlooked. He is an elite screener, and it's notable how many times his pick frees up Ant for either a trey or a drive to the rim. And he keeps so many offensive possessions alive with either rebounds or tap outs (which don't show up in the box score). I thought our three best players against OkC were Rudy, Conley and Jaden. although Jaden's +/- suffered by always being on the court when SGA was out there. I'm not sure what happened to Ant on defense against OkC, but I thought he was terrible. And it's reflected in his disastrous -41, with only Donte worse. We need Ant to be a consistent 2-way player. We're not going anywhere if our star gets outscored by 41 points in a series!

By the way, Jaden, Rudy and Mike were our three best on/off performers for the entire playoffs.

Rudy has been tremendous and that trade was absolutely worth it to get us the regular season seeding and early round playoff success. I'm glad that KG4Ever is finally coming around to this fact!

But I am sympathetic to those that might be willing to part with him, so long as Connelly has his ducks in a row for a replacement. I think some of his +/- stuff, like everyone else, might be impacted by coaching decisions that sit him in unfavorable situations, thus propping up his On/Off numbers. Same goes for Mike Conley. Of course Ant is going to play through thick and thin and regardless of matchups, so when things go south against a superior team like OKC, he bears a big brunt of the +/- consequences.

Assuming we do keep him, I think his role needs to be downsized, both so that he has the energy to play with 100% effort when he's out there, but also to open things up and play more of a spread, ball-movement offense where everyone on the floor can actually catch and hold onto the ball!

[Lipoli390]

You mean you've just discovered this!? I thought trading for Rudy was the worst trade in NBA history and that any type of playoff success he's contributed to is meaningless if it isn't a Title. We've been posting these types of stats on Rudy (and others) for years.

Yeah, Rudy is much maligned by the casual fan because of his stone hands and poor shooting. You'd think that with those two issues, he would be a liability on the court, but the numbers always prove otherwise. His defense is superb of course. But his impact on offense can't be overlooked. He is an elite screener, and it's notable how many times his pick frees up Ant for either a trey or a drive to the rim. And he keeps so many offensive possessions alive with either rebounds or tap outs (which don't show up in the box score). I thought our three best players against OkC were Rudy, Conley and Jaden. although Jaden's +/- suffered by always being on the court when SGA was out there. I'm not sure what happened to Ant on defense against OkC, but I thought he was terrible. And it's reflected in his disastrous -41, with only Donte worse. We need Ant to be a consistent 2-way player. We're not going anywhere if our star gets outscored by 41 points in a series!

By the way, Jaden, Rudy and Mike were our three best on/off performers for the entire playoffs.

Rudy has been tremendous and that trade was absolutely worth it to get us the regular season seeding and early round playoff success. I'm glad that KG4Ever is finally coming around to this fact!

But I am sympathetic to those that might be willing to part with him, so long as Connelly has his ducks in a row for a replacement. I think some of his +/- stuff, like everyone else, might be impacted by coaching decisions that sit him in unfavorable situations, thus propping up his On/Off numbers. Same goes for Mike Conley. Of course Ant is going to play through thick and thin and regardless of matchups, so when things go south against a superior team like OKC, he bears a big brunt of the +/- consequences.

Assuming we do keep him, I think his role needs to be downsized, both so that he has the energy to play with 100% effort when he's out there, but also to open things up and play more of a spread, ball-movement offense where everyone on the floor can actually catch and hold onto the ball!

There’s no denying the substantial positive impact Rudy has had on the Wolves. But I won’t concede that a team that won 46 games with a 20-year old 2nd year Ant, a 21 year old 2nd year Jaden and 22 year old Naz Reid would not have eventually made the Conference Finals and perhaps more simply though the improvement of those three players and some other personnel moves, draft picks and smart cap management. The Gobert deal was disruptive and not surprisingly we barely made the playoffs with 42 wins his first season here as KAT went down and the team adjusted. The financial impact of that trade eventually resulted in another disruptive trade of Towns two seasons later. And now we’re facing yet another possible disruptive trade for Durant. So yes, Rudy’s huge positive contribution is undeniable but trading for him wasn’t the only path to success from where we were at back then and perhaps not a sustainable path. I still think we grossly overpaid for Rudy compared to what I’d guess other teams were willing to offer but we’ll never know for sure. In any event, I can’t complain about the trade because the success we’ve had with him is as undeniable as his statistical contribution to that success. Would I have gone down a different path three years ago? Yes. Has it been fun to watch this team succeed with Rudy? Heck yes!

Notwithstanding my misgivings about the Rudy trade and whether we can win a championship with him as our starting center, I’m in the camp that favors keeping Rudy and gradually reducing his role to the extent we acquire/develop the personnel to make that transition work. If TC is offering Rudy as part of a package for KD, you have to ask whether Durant’s huge likely offensive contribution would be a net plus over the huge defensive contribution we get from Rudy. I’ll take the 32-year old defensive stalwart who is a great teammate, stays healthy, has helped his team get to the conference finals twice in a row, and wants to be here over a 37 year old who misses a lot of games, always seems unhappy, doesn’t want to be here and hasn’t made it to the Conference Finals since he was 29 years old playing with Curry, Thompson and Green.

[KG4Ever]

Despite hearing that Rudy was the problem in the OKC series, he actually was a net positive with the second best plus/minus on team. He was also second to Jaden in the playoffs overall and best Wolf during regular season. Last seeason, Rudy had a team best plus/minus in playoffs and was second best in regular season at 5.4 per game just a shade below Ant's 5.5. Rudy clearly isn't the problem and I think it would be a huge mistake to unload him for a soon to be 37 year old Durant.

You mean you've just discovered this!? I thought trading for Rudy was the worst trade in NBA history and that any type of playoff success he's contributed to is meaningless if it isn't a Title. We've been posting these types of stats on Rudy (and others) for years.

You obviously haven't paid attention to my posts. I've always liked Rudy, but not at the cost of 5 first round picks and his age is a poor match for that of Ant and Jaden. I also didn't like how TC, used this acquisition to dump KAT. Let me know when the Wolves win a championship. I'm waiting for the banner and parade!