Second Round: Official Draft Day Thread
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Reading more about Fleming, his feel for the game and defensive awareness are lacking. If the Wolves pass on him, that's probably why.
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Thanks for posting his. There are a solid nunber of guys that dropped to the 2nd round and should have picked at least a few spots higher but in general there is a reason why guys aren't picked before then. Just one example is Desmond Bane had short arms and a low ceiling high floor. Sometimes there are a bunch of similar prospects in terms of perceived value so sometimes a guy drops. There has to be some sort of flaws for Fleming or he wouldn't have lasted this long. I didn't see it in the 5 mins of highlights I watched so they probably don't exist.
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Trade 31 to Charlotte for 33 and 34. They need to replace Mark Williams with a big. They pick between Reynaud and Kalkbrenner, we take who’s left over along with Penda who’s a do all player. Fleming looks like a low IQ player with horrible passing skills and a low understanding of how to play defense. No Thanks!
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2nd round picks get paid less. Every time TC can pay less on bench warmers, he is going to do it going forward. Dropping players like Luka, Miller, and Minott and signing cheaper players helps with keeping Naz and Randle, or acquiring a new point guard.
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Searching for stuff about Fleming and found some reddit posts with various breakdowns from different spots all in one place. I have posted them below for ease of reading them all.
KOC's Report:
Summary
Fleming is a hustler who drains spot-up jumpers and brings energy on defense, swatting shots and snagging boards. But he has some real warts as a ball-handler with a lack of experience against high-level competition, so teams will have to feel real confident his role player skill-set will translate.
Strengths
Spot-up shooting: Fleming shot 41% on catch-and-shoot 3s that Synergy classifies as unguarded over his three college seasons. He has a quick, high release. While that number plummets to 31.3% when guarded, in the right system he should benefit from plenty of open chances spotting up in the corners or the wings.
Role-player skills: He constantly moves without the ball, sets focused and fundamental screens, runs the floor hard, looks for chances to crash the board. And when he gets to the rim, he finishes with power. He does what his team needs on offense, and brings it on defense as a rebounder who hustles and has a nose for the ball.
Defense: Unbelievably active defender who logged 1.6 blocks and 1.4 steals per game, constantly flying around with his 7-foot-5 wingspan to cause chaos for the opponent.
Concerns
Shot creation: He lacks any semblance of a midrange game, whether it’s pull-ups, floaters, or post-ups. His handle is loose, especially with his left hand. And he’s not much of a passer off the dribble either. As a junior he shot only 36.8% on drives to the basket, a porous number considering his mid-major competition.
Touch: How real is his 3-point shooting really? He struggles when more heavily contested, which showed up in the A-10 conference tournament when he missed 11 of his 14 attempts. He also doesn’t have great touch near the rim, and made only 67.8% of free throws.
Athletic
Fleming very much looks the part at 6-9 with a 7-4 wingspan. He’s also a very real athlete with leaping ability as well as a chiseled frame that allows him to play with force and strength on both ends. He averaged 15 points, eight rebounds, 1.4 steals and 1.5 blocks per game, then on top of it drilled 39 percent from 3. The idea here is a 3-and-D forward who can potentially be switchable and guard across the positional spectrum while also drilling 3s. But he doesn’t yet process things happening around him on the court all that quickly and needs to keep getting experience. But any team that values looking the part as well as the potential to shoot it will definitely have interest in Fleming.
Ringer
Athletic, play-finishing 3-and-D big man with a retrofuturistic style lifted directly from NBA Live 06’s Create-a-Player assembly line.
Talents: Athleticism, shot blocker, positional versatility, spacer
SCOUTING REPORT BY Danny Chau
It can be tough to watch Fleming without lamenting a future that was once promised but never delivered. He’s a rumbling athlete with a wingspan longer than humanity’s list of sins, whose arms dig low on steals and rise high on thunderous blocks. He’s a strong, two-footed leaper who happens to hit 39 percent of his 3s at an attempt rate that would have been deemed excessive not 10 years ago. Fleming is a defense-oriented stretch 4, a term hardly used anymore. Turns out the future is way weirder than we could have predicted. Fleming is almost quaint in that context: still extremely cool in theory, but maybe not the game changer he would’ve been considered in a different time.
At minimum, Fleming projects as a versatile 4 or 5 who can chip in steals and blocks, pop or roll hard in the two-man game, and be an active presence on the offensive glass. What potentially pushes him into lottery range is that 3-pointer and whether it can be trusted at the next level. Fleming’s attempts and percentages from deep spiked in his junior season after he shot just 31.3 percent from 3 across his first two seasons. If the accuracy is real, Fleming has a place on just about any roster in the league. If it isn’t, well, he wouldn’t be the first player to rocket up boards because of rosy optimism based on a small sample size.
Another potential worry is his complete and utter lack of self-creation when playing against a lower standard of competition in the Atlantic 10. Fleming had scarcely any reps in isolation or as a ball handler this past season. For a player with his build, coordination, and first step, it’s fair to wonder why there weren’t more flashes of that in what was otherwise a breakout year. Of course, there’s an easy retort there: You dress for the job you want. Fleming will be a finisher in the pros, so that’s exactly what he was in college. If the rest of his game translates seamlessly to the NBA—if he’s a legitimate floor spacer shooting league average from deep and offering serious weakside rim protection—the return on a team’s investment could be massive. Fleming presents a rare archetype that promises teams that what they see is what they’ll get. But it’s fair to wonder whether there’s something hidden in what Fleming’s game doesn’t show.
ESPN Givony Woo
Intel and fit: The Nets might not be the team selecting here, which would make these picks in the late 20s interesting swing spots.
Fleming didn't participate in 5-on-5 scrimmages at the combine, but had impressive measurements. His excellent size and how effectively he scored this season for Saint Joseph's give him some attractive role-player qualities.
As a late-blooming player who is still lacking in ball skills and overall awareness at times, Fleming is more of a developmental addition than a true plug-and-play option in the late first round. -- Woo
KOC's Report:
Summary
Fleming is a hustler who drains spot-up jumpers and brings energy on defense, swatting shots and snagging boards. But he has some real warts as a ball-handler with a lack of experience against high-level competition, so teams will have to feel real confident his role player skill-set will translate.
Strengths
Spot-up shooting: Fleming shot 41% on catch-and-shoot 3s that Synergy classifies as unguarded over his three college seasons. He has a quick, high release. While that number plummets to 31.3% when guarded, in the right system he should benefit from plenty of open chances spotting up in the corners or the wings.
Role-player skills: He constantly moves without the ball, sets focused and fundamental screens, runs the floor hard, looks for chances to crash the board. And when he gets to the rim, he finishes with power. He does what his team needs on offense, and brings it on defense as a rebounder who hustles and has a nose for the ball.
Defense: Unbelievably active defender who logged 1.6 blocks and 1.4 steals per game, constantly flying around with his 7-foot-5 wingspan to cause chaos for the opponent.
Concerns
Shot creation: He lacks any semblance of a midrange game, whether it’s pull-ups, floaters, or post-ups. His handle is loose, especially with his left hand. And he’s not much of a passer off the dribble either. As a junior he shot only 36.8% on drives to the basket, a porous number considering his mid-major competition.
Touch: How real is his 3-point shooting really? He struggles when more heavily contested, which showed up in the A-10 conference tournament when he missed 11 of his 14 attempts. He also doesn’t have great touch near the rim, and made only 67.8% of free throws.
Athletic
Fleming very much looks the part at 6-9 with a 7-4 wingspan. He’s also a very real athlete with leaping ability as well as a chiseled frame that allows him to play with force and strength on both ends. He averaged 15 points, eight rebounds, 1.4 steals and 1.5 blocks per game, then on top of it drilled 39 percent from 3. The idea here is a 3-and-D forward who can potentially be switchable and guard across the positional spectrum while also drilling 3s. But he doesn’t yet process things happening around him on the court all that quickly and needs to keep getting experience. But any team that values looking the part as well as the potential to shoot it will definitely have interest in Fleming.
Ringer
Athletic, play-finishing 3-and-D big man with a retrofuturistic style lifted directly from NBA Live 06’s Create-a-Player assembly line.
Talents: Athleticism, shot blocker, positional versatility, spacer
SCOUTING REPORT BY Danny Chau
It can be tough to watch Fleming without lamenting a future that was once promised but never delivered. He’s a rumbling athlete with a wingspan longer than humanity’s list of sins, whose arms dig low on steals and rise high on thunderous blocks. He’s a strong, two-footed leaper who happens to hit 39 percent of his 3s at an attempt rate that would have been deemed excessive not 10 years ago. Fleming is a defense-oriented stretch 4, a term hardly used anymore. Turns out the future is way weirder than we could have predicted. Fleming is almost quaint in that context: still extremely cool in theory, but maybe not the game changer he would’ve been considered in a different time.
At minimum, Fleming projects as a versatile 4 or 5 who can chip in steals and blocks, pop or roll hard in the two-man game, and be an active presence on the offensive glass. What potentially pushes him into lottery range is that 3-pointer and whether it can be trusted at the next level. Fleming’s attempts and percentages from deep spiked in his junior season after he shot just 31.3 percent from 3 across his first two seasons. If the accuracy is real, Fleming has a place on just about any roster in the league. If it isn’t, well, he wouldn’t be the first player to rocket up boards because of rosy optimism based on a small sample size.
Another potential worry is his complete and utter lack of self-creation when playing against a lower standard of competition in the Atlantic 10. Fleming had scarcely any reps in isolation or as a ball handler this past season. For a player with his build, coordination, and first step, it’s fair to wonder why there weren’t more flashes of that in what was otherwise a breakout year. Of course, there’s an easy retort there: You dress for the job you want. Fleming will be a finisher in the pros, so that’s exactly what he was in college. If the rest of his game translates seamlessly to the NBA—if he’s a legitimate floor spacer shooting league average from deep and offering serious weakside rim protection—the return on a team’s investment could be massive. Fleming presents a rare archetype that promises teams that what they see is what they’ll get. But it’s fair to wonder whether there’s something hidden in what Fleming’s game doesn’t show.
ESPN Givony Woo
Intel and fit: The Nets might not be the team selecting here, which would make these picks in the late 20s interesting swing spots.
Fleming didn't participate in 5-on-5 scrimmages at the combine, but had impressive measurements. His excellent size and how effectively he scored this season for Saint Joseph's give him some attractive role-player qualities.
As a late-blooming player who is still lacking in ball skills and overall awareness at times, Fleming is more of a developmental addition than a true plug-and-play option in the late first round. -- Woo
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Re: Second Round: Official Draft Day Thread
You bring up a good point and I will add even undrafted guys to that equation. For this year would you rather keep paying Minott a million or so more when he has been developing for 3 years and trade 31 for multiple 2nds to do what you suggested? Garza I think is a guy they can decide on whether to keep him for this season right before the season starts. Minott they have to decide in a couple days.
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The Minnesota Timberwolves are trading the first pick in tonight’s NBA draft -- No. 31 -- to the Phoenix Suns for No. 36 and two future second-round picks, sources tell ESPN. Suns continue rebuild by moving up to 31 and 41 in draft -- send out 36, 52, 59 and two future seconds.
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Depending on what future 2's they are, not mad at it.
Penda could make it there, or we grab a ball handler.
Penda could make it there, or we grab a ball handler.
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Suns will take Flemming
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Fleming's going #31Porckchop wrote: ↑Thu Jun 26, 2025 3:40 pm Trade 31 to Charlotte for 33 and 34. They need to replace Mark Williams with a big. They pick between Reynaud and Kalkbrenner, we take who’s left over along with Penda who’s a do all player. Fleming looks like a low IQ player with horrible passing skills and a low understanding of how to play defense. No Thanks!
Boston's taking either Raynaud or Kalkbrenner
Charlotte gets whoever else is left over