Joe ingles back!

[kekgeek]

The Joe Ingles signing is a minimum contract and only carries a cap hit of $2,296,274, even though he will be paid $3,634,153.

How this works is that the size of minimum contracts rise dependent on your years of service in the NBA. But for salary purposes, if you have 2+ years of service, the cap/tax/apron hit is the minimum contract of a player with 2 years of service -- which is $2,296,274 next season.

[WildWolf2813]

Could Ingles be included in a trade to make salaries work?

I doubt his minimum salary would be some sort of dealbreaker or sweetener.

[Q-is-here]

Could Ingles be included in a trade to make salaries work?

Perhaps so. You do need different sized contracts on your books to make trades work these days.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Is this just to get to the minimum roster size?

Do they really believe Ingles' 7 inbounds passes per year are worth that much?

I thought Conley was gonna be the overpaid locker room personality?

Inside info on a future trade that involves Ingles?

I don't get this.

[kekgeek]

Is this just to get to the minimum roster size?

Do they really believe Ingles' 7 inbounds passes per year are worth that much?

I thought Conley was gonna be the overpaid locker room personality?

Inside info on a future trade that involves Ingles?

I don't get this.

Only 2.3 counts against the cap. So the wolves have approximately 7.7 million left. So bringing Joe back still allows us to use the majority of the tax payer MLE and another vet min guy if they chose so.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Is this just to get to the minimum roster size?

Do they really believe Ingles' 7 inbounds passes per year are worth that much?

I thought Conley was gonna be the overpaid locker room personality?

Inside info on a future trade that involves Ingles?

I don't get this.

Only 2.3 counts against the cap. So the wolves have approximately 7.7 million left. So bringing Joe back still allows us to use the majority of the tax payer MLE and another vet min guy if they chose so.

Only $2.3M could have been used on someone who could at least conceivably see the court in the future.

And I'm not a capologist guy, but I was sort of listening to Dane Moore break it all down. The $7.7M number seems higher than I thought I heard. Does that take into the random player incentives that count toward the cap?

[kekgeek]

Is this just to get to the minimum roster size?

Do they really believe Ingles' 7 inbounds passes per year are worth that much?

I thought Conley was gonna be the overpaid locker room personality?

Inside info on a future trade that involves Ingles?

I don't get this.

Only 2.3 counts against the cap. So the wolves have approximately 7.7 million left. So bringing Joe back still allows us to use the majority of the tax payer MLE and another vet min guy if they chose so.

Only $2.3M could have been used on someone who could at least conceivably see the court in the future.

And I'm not a capologist guy, but I was sort of listening to Dane Moore break it all down. The $7.7M number seems higher than I thought I heard. Does that take into the random player incentives that count toward the cap?

The Wolves now have 13 players under contract for next season, and must roster a minimum of 14. So at least one free agent to go.

The question is how much can they spend on that free agent. And I believe the answer is the full taxpayer mid-level exception ($5.685M).

I have the Wolves $7,540,297 below the 2nd apron -- assuming Randle and Reid's contracts both scale up with 8% raises annually.

However, Donte DiVincenzo ($750k) and Jaden McDaniels ($1M) have "unlikely bonuses" in their contracts for next season -- and those incentives do count against the 2nd apron.

(Julius Randle also had $1.5M in unlikely bonuses in his previous deal, but by *not* opting in to his player option and instead signing for basically the same number but without the unlikely incentives, at the personal advantage of locking up more long-term money, that $1.5M that would have counted against the 2nd apron is no longer there. I need to confirm that's what happened with Randle's incentives -- but I know it was trending that way to be the plan.)

So we take the $7,540,297 (current space) - $1,750,000 (McDaniels and DiVincenzo incentives) and that leaves the Wolves with $5,790,297 in spending power below the 2nd apron.

It would be *tight* up against the 2nd apron, and they would be hard-capped at the 2nd apron if they used it, but the Wolves *could* use the taxpayer midlevel exception to sign a free agent for up to $5,685,000.


-Dane

[Monster]

Is this just to get to the minimum roster size?

Do they really believe Ingles' 7 inbounds passes per year are worth that much?

I thought Conley was gonna be the overpaid locker room personality?

Inside info on a future trade that involves Ingles?

I don't get this.

I'm not a fan of this signing unlike last year but one thing Ingles does bring is a player capable of playing a PG role like Kyle Anderson did previously. He wouldn't be guarding PGs obviously but he could probably help at least some and my guess is if he actually has to play he won't shoot as bad as he did last year although the bar is low. He also had a career high assists per 36 mins last year so...yes!!! We got him!!!

[guest81]

Guys the 13th-15th guys on a roster have never in the history of the NBA, have contributed to a team winning a championship. This is not something to have the slightest thought over

[Lipoli390]

Only 2.3 counts against the cap. So the wolves have approximately 7.7 million left. So bringing Joe back still allows us to use the majority of the tax payer MLE and another vet min guy if they chose so.

Only $2.3M could have been used on someone who could at least conceivably see the court in the future.

And I'm not a capologist guy, but I was sort of listening to Dane Moore break it all down. The $7.7M number seems higher than I thought I heard. Does that take into the random player incentives that count toward the cap?

The Wolves now have 13 players under contract for next season, and must roster a minimum of 14. So at least one free agent to go.

The question is how much can they spend on that free agent. And I believe the answer is the full taxpayer mid-level exception ($5.685M).

I have the Wolves $7,540,297 below the 2nd apron -- assuming Randle and Reid's contracts both scale up with 8% raises annually.

However, Donte DiVincenzo ($750k) and Jaden McDaniels ($1M) have "unlikely bonuses" in their contracts for next season -- and those incentives do count against the 2nd apron.

(Julius Randle also had $1.5M in unlikely bonuses in his previous deal, but by *not* opting in to his player option and instead signing for basically the same number but without the unlikely incentives, at the personal advantage of locking up more long-term money, that $1.5M that would have counted against the 2nd apron is no longer there. I need to confirm that's what happened with Randle's incentives -- but I know it was trending that way to be the plan.)

So we take the $7,540,297 (current space) - $1,750,000 (McDaniels and DiVincenzo incentives) and that leaves the Wolves with $5,790,297 in spending power below the 2nd apron.

It would be *tight* up against the 2nd apron, and they would be hard-capped at the 2nd apron if they used it, but the Wolves *could* use the taxpayer midlevel exception to sign a free agent for up to $5,685,000.


-Dane

I thought we had a bit more room under the 2nd apron but that depends on what Randle’s 1st year salary turns out to be under his new contract. Your numbers are probably accurate and make sense. It would appear that our front office has planned this out to the last penny, leaving room to use the entire taxpayer MLE and have a 14-man roster or sign a vet minimum guy to the 14th slot and leave room to add a 15th player down the road if needed - for example to convert Rocco from a two-way to a regular contract. . All of this has clearly been carefully planned and calibrated by our front office.