Better regular season player, worse playoff player. I'm not really a fan of Donte anymore because of that, but frankly, this team isn't making a WCF run this year as currently constructed. It's a transition year where the old vets raise the floor, but also lower the ceiling, while at the same time we start getting the "second window" guys up to speed.
Has someone removed the 2024 playoffs from your mind? Blink twice if you need help!
I've posted these stats before, but they are eye-opening and deserve an encore since I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like this before.
Donte's On Court Net Rating in the Playoffs = -6.1
Donte's teams' Net Rating when he's off the court = +10.3
That's 54 playoff games and 1,313 minutes across four different teams (Milwaukee, Golden State, Knicks, and Minnesota) so the sample size is big.
Oh, and here is how he did with New York:
On Court Net Rating = -6.8
Off Court Net Rating = +12.9
Thanks for the response Q I had forgotten those numbers. So... what are you wanting to trade him for?
I’ve thought for a long time, as did many others, that losing NAW in free agency this summer was inevitable. And how it’s happened. We should appreciate what we’re losing. Let’s start with the fact that he played in all 82 games each of his two full seasons with us. That’s extraordinary. We can talk stats all day and night, but no stat matters more than showing up on the court and that’s what NAW did every single day or night. While on the court, NAW gave nonstop effort and played superb defense. Last season he made nearly 44% of his FG attempts and 39.7% of his 4.5 3-point attempts. He was also, by all accounts, a terrific teammate. He has a serious approach to the game. You never saw him disengaged or frolicking on the bench. NAW was a terrific player for us and he leaves behind a significant void to fill. I think we have the players in TSJ and Clark to fill that void, but it won’t be easy.
So goodbye and good luck, NAW. Thanks for what you did here and all the best to you in Atlanta!
Better regular season player, worse playoff player. I'm not really a fan of Donte anymore because of that, but frankly, this team isn't making a WCF run this year as currently constructed. It's a transition year where the old vets raise the floor, but also lower the ceiling, while at the same time we start getting the "second window" guys up to speed.
Has someone removed the 2024 playoffs from your mind? Blink twice if you need help!
I've posted these stats before, but they are eye-opening and deserve an encore since I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like this before.
Donte's On Court Net Rating in the Playoffs = -6.1
Donte's teams' Net Rating when he's off the court = +10.3
That's 54 playoff games and 1,313 minutes across four different teams (Milwaukee, Golden State, Knicks, and Minnesota) so the sample size is big.
Oh, and here is how he did with New York:
On Court Net Rating = -6.8
Off Court Net Rating = +12.9
Those are pretty damning playoff stats. What are Donte’s on/off net ratings for regular season play. I have no idea so I’m just trying to fully assess his value.
Has someone removed the 2024 playoffs from your mind? Blink twice if you need help!
I've posted these stats before, but they are eye-opening and deserve an encore since I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like this before.
Donte's On Court Net Rating in the Playoffs = -6.1
Donte's teams' Net Rating when he's off the court = +10.3
That's 54 playoff games and 1,313 minutes across four different teams (Milwaukee, Golden State, Knicks, and Minnesota) so the sample size is big.
Oh, and here is how he did with New York:
On Court Net Rating = -6.8
Off Court Net Rating = +12.9
Those are pretty damning playoff stats. What are Donte’s on/off net ratings for regular season play. I have no idea so I’m just trying to fully assess his value.
He has a positive net rating and on/off rating in the regular season, which is what makes his situation so unique....or may be not. Remember the discussion we had about small-ish point guards that were lead guards for their teams in the playoffs? He is similar to those guys, where it seems like his shooting efficiency takes a hit with the more intense defensive attention and on the other end he gets picked on and doesn't hold up well when targeted.
I know he isn't in the same role (or size) as Darius Garland, but it's very similar where he is a net positive in the regular season and then suddenly things kind of go to shit in the playoffs.
What makes Donte's situation unique, and concerning, is the sheer size and diversity of the sample. This has been the story with him in every single playoff run he's been in with four different teams except for the year Milwaukee won the title (he played three games in the first round Miami series and was a net positive). Otherwise, his team always loses the minutes he's on the floor and wins the minutes he's off it.
Lipoli390 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:19 pm
I’ve thought for a long time, as did many others, that losing NAW in free agency this summer was inevitable. And how it’s happened. We should appreciate what we’re losing. Let’s start with the fact that he played in all 82 games each of his two full seasons with us. That’s extraordinary. We can talk stats all day and night, but no stat matters more than showing up on the court and that’s what NAW did every single day or night. While on the court, NAW gave nonstop effort and played superb defense. Last season he made nearly 44% of his FG attempts and 39.7% of his 4.5 3-point attempts. He was also, by all accounts, a terrific teammate. He has a serious approach to the game. You never saw him disengaged or frolicking on the bench. NAW was a terrific player for us and he leaves behind a significant void to fill. I think we have the players in TSJ and Clark to fill that void, but it won’t be easy.
So goodbye and good luck, NAW. Thanks for what you did here and all the best to you in Atlanta!
I know Naw got a decent bag, but I honestly would have preferred keeping him at that price over either Naz and Randle at what they got. I wish we could have kept one and traded one, while also keeping NAW.
I've posted these stats before, but they are eye-opening and deserve an encore since I'm not sure I've ever seen anything like this before.
Donte's On Court Net Rating in the Playoffs = -6.1
Donte's teams' Net Rating when he's off the court = +10.3
That's 54 playoff games and 1,313 minutes across four different teams (Milwaukee, Golden State, Knicks, and Minnesota) so the sample size is big.
Oh, and here is how he did with New York:
On Court Net Rating = -6.8
Off Court Net Rating = +12.9
Those are pretty damning playoff stats. What are Donte’s on/off net ratings for regular season play. I have no idea so I’m just trying to fully assess his value.
He has a positive net rating and on/off rating in the regular season, which is what makes his situation so unique....or may be not. Remember the discussion we had about small-ish point guards that were lead guards for their teams in the playoffs? He is similar to those guys, where it seems like his shooting efficiency takes a hit with the more intense defensive attention and on the other end he gets picked on and doesn't hold up well when targeted.
I know he isn't in the same role (or size) as Darius Garland, but it's very similar where he is a net positive in the regular season and then suddenly things kind of go to shit in the playoffs.
What makes Donte's situation unique, and concerning, is the sheer size and diversity of the sample. This has been the story with him in every single playoff run he's been in with four different teams except for the year Milwaukee won the title (he played three games in the first round Miami series and was a net positive). Otherwise, his team always loses the minutes he's on the floor and wins the minutes he's off it.
That’s is disconcerting, Q. I tend to avoid reading too much into playoff stats because they tend to be smallish sample sizes. But you’re right that the sample size and the span of multiple teams makes Donte’s playoff stats particularly troubling. I’m not sure size is the determinant factor though. TJ McConnell is Donte’s size and he was a significant positive factor for Indiana in this year’s playoffs although admittedly I haven’t checked his on/off stats.
I think TC had planned on getting KD in trade and subsequently keeping NAW but KD threw a curveball. I would have been more open to trading DDV and keeping NAW.
Lipoli390 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:19 pm
I’ve thought for a long time, as did many others, that losing NAW in free agency this summer was inevitable. And how it’s happened. We should appreciate what we’re losing. Let’s start with the fact that he played in all 82 games each of his two full seasons with us. That’s extraordinary. We can talk stats all day and night, but no stat matters more than showing up on the court and that’s what NAW did every single day or night. While on the court, NAW gave nonstop effort and played superb defense. Last season he made nearly 44% of his FG attempts and 39.7% of his 4.5 3-point attempts. He was also, by all accounts, a terrific teammate. He has a serious approach to the game. You never saw him disengaged or frolicking on the bench. NAW was a terrific player for us and he leaves behind a significant void to fill. I think we have the players in TSJ and Clark to fill that void, but it won’t be easy.
So goodbye and good luck, NAW. Thanks for what you did here and all the best to you in Atlanta!
I loved NAW too and he was a big part of embodying our defensive culture with his all-out effort and warrior mentality.
Unfortunately he was part of the bench group these last two post-seasons that let the team down with their play. He simply struggled too much offensively in the post-season. Sadly, he may have been the "least bad" post-season bench player of the NAW/Naz/SloMo (last year)/DDV group.
I feel pretty confident that the Shannon-Clark-Dillingham trio can collectively backfill NAW's role and has a massively higher ceiling. In fact, I think Shannon and Clark have already proven themselves and just need more minutes. Dillingham is a bit more of a wildcard, but obviously has a ton of potential.
Lipoli390 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:19 pm
I’ve thought for a long time, as did many others, that losing NAW in free agency this summer was inevitable. And how it’s happened. We should appreciate what we’re losing. Let’s start with the fact that he played in all 82 games each of his two full seasons with us. That’s extraordinary. We can talk stats all day and night, but no stat matters more than showing up on the court and that’s what NAW did every single day or night. While on the court, NAW gave nonstop effort and played superb defense. Last season he made nearly 44% of his FG attempts and 39.7% of his 4.5 3-point attempts. He was also, by all accounts, a terrific teammate. He has a serious approach to the game. You never saw him disengaged or frolicking on the bench. NAW was a terrific player for us and he leaves behind a significant void to fill. I think we have the players in TSJ and Clark to fill that void, but it won’t be easy.
So goodbye and good luck, NAW. Thanks for what you did here and all the best to you in Atlanta!
I loved NAW too and he was a big part of embodying our defensive culture with his all-out effort and warrior mentality.
Unfortunately he was part of the bench group these last two post-seasons that let the team down with their play. He simply struggled too much offensively in the post-season. Sadly, he may have been the "least bad" post-season bench player of the NAW/Naz/SloMo (last year)/DDV group.
I feel pretty confident that the Shannon-Clark-Dillingham trio can collectively backfill NAW's role and has a massively higher ceiling. In fact, I think Shannon and Clark have already proven themselves and just need more minutes. Dillingham is a bit more of a wildcard, but obviously has a ton of potential.
